FYI: Beretta USA and PepperBall Technologies, Inc Form Strategic Alliance...

[hitech]

The .32 NAA round has remarkable power for its size

Can they be used in a much older .32 semi-auto?

[Lohman446]

The .32 NAA round is made by Corbon - the only gun I know that is chambered for it is the .32 NAA Guardian. It is not interchangable with other .32 ammunition

[hitech]

The .32 NAA round is made by Corbon - the only gun I know that is chambered for it is the .32 NAA Guardian. It is not interchangable with other .32 ammunition

That is what it sounded like.

[MedicDVG]

I found the statement made earlier in reference to "getting my wallet --- a few pepperballs to the chest will stop him" very interesting. Sadly, this perception of power over someone with this will get you killed.

I have been in the emergency medical business for close to 15 years now, and I have seen kids, wives, huge mo-fo's, and crazed drug addicts all peppersprayed before. It is AMAZING how much energy a drunk 110# housewife can expend fighting you even after being peppersprayed repeatedly by the cops. I have litterally seen 18 year olds in perfect health continue resisting even after multiple pepperspray applications by police to the point where it litterally takes 5 cops to even stop the guy from swinging. I fear that "a few pepperballs to the chest" may not make much of a difference to the determined attacker. .

These are "compliance tools" in terms of the police handbooks, not devices designed to "stop" a threat.

My concerns over the use of this product as a home defense system are as follows:

1) How does one keep a tippman pro carbine, 20oz co2 and a hopper full of pepperballs ready for action at a moments notice? There are too many variables to the system for it to be effective as home deterrent. Keep it dissassembled?? If you take the time to assemble it, you had the time to run away or summon help.

2) We are opening up our sport to more negative exposure. Now I am not naive enough to think that the improper use of this system will lead to a banning of paintball. However, drive by's with pepperballs fall into a whole new level of assualt. It would not be at all inconcievable taht you would see more restrictive useage laws surroungin legitimate paintball because some yahoo got into uncle ernie's closet and got his pepperball gun. Lets face it, paintball has had an uphill battle since day one and we don't need more ammunition to confuse John/Jane Q. Public.

3) If I whip out a pepperball marker on a home intruder, I have escalted the use of force to where now if this perp has a wepon they may be more inclined to use it. Face it, paintball markers are "guns" to the uninitaited. Point one at some crack addict who wants your sony, and he juat may feel that the best thing to do is SHOOT BACK! Frankly being outclassed in that firefight is a loosing propositon. If you are using this system with the anticipation of subduing the offender, you are setting yourself up for getting seriously injured or killed.


4) This is a system that was designed for crowd/riot control by trained police officers and the military. Maybe I am just too much of a wuss, but I don't see the obvious transition from police crowd control to home defense. Frankly a 1# can of pepper fog or a "bear can" would be more effective on many different levels.


With all due respect to Mr. Kaye and his attempts to make a living, but I don't really see a legitimate use for this in the home defense market.

[CodeMA]

To anwser your question to me...

If I happen to have to option of someone killing me or me drilling someone with my marker its gonna be choice B... and Im not gonna worry about mameing/killing him rather then just stoping him...sorry.... Its gonna be dumping a pod into his face/eyes/throats with intent to blind perminately/incompassitate via air restriction..... The likelyness of that being the only thing to use is slim....all the same, it WOULD be effective.... and I genrally have a tank of air on my marker from vball snapping in the house... so it would be a weapon of opurtunity at best... Im just saying that a constant stream(ramp at 15-20) bps to the face and throat with the intent to stop... from fairly close range WOULD be effective.... stright up pain to the chest and such.... well ya your right it wouldnt.... look at a standard game of paintball and how it just ignights tempers and further agression...

[sbpyro]

I found the statement made earlier in reference to "getting my wallet --- a few pepperballs to the chest will stop him" very interesting. Sadly, this perception of power over someone with this will get you killed.

With all due respect to Mr. Kaye and his attempts to make a living, but I don't really see a legitimate use for this in the home defense market.

I agree that there is not much of a use for pepperballs in a self defense application. I'm extremely concern with some idiot loading up a hopper and unloading on innocent ppl. However there may be a built in deterent for that. Similar to the system they have with tasers when you fire it it releases a whole bunch of id tags. Which would require the pepperballs be made in smaller batches, the batches are tracked to where ever they were sold and any one buying them would require the paperwork+ id for it.

[Lohman446]

But I am pretty sure it would help with the guy that decided to just come up and give me a hard time or want one of my posessions.

BTW.. and I should put this on the record, if someone demands my wallet, and I feel giving them my wallet will end the situation, they are getting it. I am armed, I am prepared to deal with the consequences of my actions, I am however, not going to kill someone over the couple hundred dollars I might keep in my wallet. I have made decisions about when I will use deadly force, and taken into moral and legal considerations. Until I, or someone with me, is in threat of physical danger, I don't have any intention of resisting. Understand that this danger point is different than where most people would think it is. I am going to in many situations make decisions on the other person mindset and abilities to determine if they are a real physical threat. I am prepared to use a firearm to stop an attack... but I am not prepared to do it to stop loss of property that can be readily replaced.