Newbie ?

[LouieAngles]

ok should i get a 98 flatline or a TL lus

[pito189]

I would go with the TL plus, just by the fact that if you want to upgrade it is much easier with a spyder. Tippmans are solid guns though.

[personman]

Screw those guns, get a mag! I used to have a 98, It was pretty cool, but its nothing compared to the mag I got for X-Mas. If you have enough for a Flatline, save up for a mag! I swear the mag is the best thing since TVs!

[FooTemps]

It's ok... I'm a newb and I'm gettin a mag...

[Ov3rmind]

I think he's talking about the Flatline barrel. The barrel plus the gun would be about $225, which last time I checked, was not enough for a complete Mag (just enough for a Classic, but you still need a barrel and bottomline, which would add up). My vote goes for the Spyder though.

[paintballrulzs]

used mags r like 200 with barrel and everything

[personman]

I would get the flatline, and I said SAVE UP for a mag, not just buy one.

[FooTemps]

If you can't afford the mag go for the Spyder TL+. It will break you into paintballing easier because the spyder will resemble a mag more...

[FeelTheRT]

Mags are THE entery level guns. Newbies can't go wrong with a Mag.

[diehard]

Go with the Tippmann... Spyders suck. I used to own a Java Edition TL+, I hated it. I was ok if I was playing in the woods, but for tournament play is most the biggest POS that I've ever played with. Tippmanns are much more reliable and I like their triggers better. I perfer the double trigger, but Tippmann's single shoots nicer than any spyder's double I've ever tried. I ended up giving my TL away, cause I disliked it so much!

[FeelTheRT]

Originally posted by diehard
Go with the Tippmann... Spyders suck. I used to own a Java Edition TL+, I hated it. I was ok if I was playing in the woods, but for tournament play is most the biggest POS that I've ever played with. Tippmanns are much more reliable and I like their triggers better. I perfer the double trigger, but Tippmann's single shoots nicer than any spyder's double I've ever tried. I ended up giving my TL away, cause I disliked it so much!

Tippmanns and Spyders are the same. Both are blowback semis and function exacly identical if you look past the outside body design.

Like i stated before, i still think Mags are hte best newb level guns.

[diehard]

I would have to agree with FeelTheRT on this one... get the mag. Should be more consistant and outlast both the tippmann and the spyder. But if it's a choice between the Tippmann and the Spyder... Get the Tippman.
Also, get HPA (High Pressure Air) instead of CO2. It costs just a little bit more, but it makes a huge difference. You can pick up a 48/3000 tank at action village for $70. You get about 500 shots out of it. If you shoot more, get the 68ci for $110. It's well worth the $$ to have HPA instead of CO2.

http://www.actionvillage.com/paintba...n-systems.html

[LouieAngles]

ok thanks all of you for your voices. im proabaly getting the TL PLus