Pnue Frame/Mod

[Jerhew]

you wouldnt need a ULT or even an xvalve. i know the electrician is running a classic with his pnuematic frame and the e-frame(same concept with a solenoid valve instead of mech 3-way.

i could see all the parts being 100$ or so plus the frame, so 200-250 wouldnt be outrageous

sorry if i was unclear
i was just comparing the cost of running a ULT, X-valve & I-frame(my current setup) to the cost of a Pneumag

just pointing out that if you look at it that way...$200+ for a whole new frame with a built in superfast trigger isn't much at all

[warbeak2099]

Now I was under the impression that would need a ULT. Then again I guess you could just crank the lpr's output pressure up. That would give the ram enough force to open a stock on/off. But to be more air efficient the ULT would be better. I remember reading that with a ULT the lpr can go even lower than that of a cocker's front pneus. So an average cocker lpr is running at about 60psi. This probably only needs around 40psi to operate with a ULT.

[Scott Hudnall]

don't underestimate the pneumatic ram's power....could easily generate the force needed to trip the sear without having to worry about having a ULT or the short stroke and chuffing it can bring.

you should check out the electrician's thread on this subject.....he explains it well....and runs his with a classic AIR valve.

[Jerhew]

you don't need the ult, you're correct there...
i know you can use it on the homemade versions(since you'd be running an adjustable, probably cocker style lpr) and yes it'll lower the needed input pressure below 50psi(i believe)
some people have mentioned concerns about the ult lowering the max rof...but i havent seen any hard evidence of this...or how much it lowers it...
and since lowering the input pressure would theoretically make the trigger softer...well
that's where it gets complicated i guess...
someone with a ult a chrono that can calculate rof could run some tests and figure out which way to go...
but until then, imo, the jury is still out.
that said,
we're not really sure if RRfireblade's design(ptp) will have an adjustable lpr, or if the ult will have any impact on the softness of the trigger pull on that design.
all variables that will eventually solve themselves in due time i suppose

geesh i cant get away from this thread today....

[warbeak2099]

All I know is I need this frame. It's not like I just want it, it's actually vital to my staying alive. If I don't have this frame soon... I will most likely go into cardiac arrest and keel over. No pressure Jay!

[ICP]

AS far as price goes, you have to remember that any parts that are bought will probably be bought at wholesale or cheaper. And a frame (any frame) should cost no where near $100 to make, especially in any kind of quantity. But ya even at the $200-$250 I don't think they will have a problem selling these (at least not to me)

[txaggie08]

actualy i think the ult hurts cyclic rate when you start talking about the higher ROF

part of it is that pneumatics are SOOO much stronger than a solenoid of comparable size. from what ~E~ and phish have said, the input to the threeway doent affect trigger pull weight, but im not shure.

i dunno ill experiment with it when i get my clippard parts in(im going to set up a pneumatic trigger on my scenario marker). ill just be happy if this little mac valve i have works. if it does i found a 25$ valve that will require 0 fabrication to setup in the gun. just cap on one side and use it as a three way......


anyway. the bolt on pneumatic frame, if its affordable, should be agreat thing for those who dont wanna build there own electro, or fork out for one

[Jerhew]

actualy i think the ult hurts cyclic rate when you start talking about the higher ROF

thats what im talking about...
i hear the word "higher" a lot...im just curious if they mean higher like...15bps...or higher like 28bps....
obviously...it may or may not have an affect depending on what one's definition of higher is

If it happens that the input pressure doesnt affect trigger pull(or atleast not noticably), or if the ULT is indeed detrimental to the pneumag's function, then obviously...go without the ULT...
but for those of us(like me) who already have a ULT...
if it'll help a tiny bit, or if it makes no difference...
i'll just leave it in.

im still very much considering building a pneu-trigger myself...

[txaggie08]

yeah i dont think it would hurt cyclic rates down in the fifteen-twenty bps(from what i can find. possibly even higher than that casue the devilmag uses it

[RRfireblade]

that said,
we're not really sure if RRfireblade's design(ptp) will have an adjustable lpr, or if the ult will have any impact on the softness of the trigger pull on that design.
all variables that will eventually solve themselves in due time i suppose

geesh i cant get away from this thread today....

This is really going to burn your shorts then. My trigger switch get's lighter as LPR pressure is increased.

And yes, the LPR will be balancing and adjustable.

And no, the ULT will only slow it down.

[txaggie08]

were will the lpr be mounted?

[Jerhew]

interesting...
well all i have to say is...
anyone wanna buy a used ult kit

he said in another thread that it will be mounted in the gripframe....

[ICP]

interesting...
well all i have to say is...
anyone wanna buy a used ult kit

he said in another thread that it will be mounted in the gripframe....

If you were serious, I'd take it right now.

[ktMag]

If PTP manages to keep the cost down... say under $200... everyone will jump on it. Classic Mag, Tac-One, DevilMag, emag, xmag.... whatever. I see that everyone will buy a pnue-frame.

Summer is around the courner... any chance that this will be available before then?

[peewee]

Where do I prepay????