32* new gun that dosent need a tank?

[oldsoldier]

They make it rugged, like a tippy, it could be a field marker. Other than that, I see limited use in the sport. Much easier to just carry a tank, than change batteries every 500 shots. Besides, I'm sure as the thing loses voltage, you FPS drops....it is a good concept though. This could be a serious breakthrough in the next few years.













Of course, it could DIAF as well.

[manike]

manike...the guy on this forum?

Yes.

The main reasons for a lot of this gun's design are safety based. You won't be able to shoot crazy hot with it. You won't have any safety issues from compressed gases.

It's also designed to help the grass roots of the industry and people that can't get easy access to fills.

I made a huge post about this in the original thread.

Oldsoldier, we actually have some clever software that keeps the velocity up and consistent even as the battery starts to die. It's actually far harder to get a tank filled than it is to charge a battery... a lot less safe also.

This isn't for tourney ball, it's for playing with your friends and getting started.

[manike]

no. read post #4 by jack &coke. clearly says minimum.

Yes but his post is NOT what it says in our press release.

Safety was one of the major reasons for the development of this system, and it has been designed so you can't shoot it hot.

[teufelhunden]

Safety was one of the major reasons for the development of this system, and it has been designed so you can't shoot it hot.

Unfortunately, I can see that cutting your sales on this marker.

[manike]

Unfortunately, I can see that cutting your sales on this marker.

I can live with that.

Sometimes being reponsible doesn't make you the quick $$$ but it keeps you in for the long run.

We understand that.

[vf-xx]

Manike:

any chance we'll get to see a quick change 10round spring loader for this thing?

I think that'd be a really cool way to run that.

[manike]

We have several different feed concepts in development/consideration.

[Beemer]

It's actually far harder to get a tank filled than it is to charge a battery... a lot less safe also.

I guess the fill thing would depend on Where you are at the time. This will be good for renegade playing. Can always use more of that.

So you think the cylinders we use arent safe.
Alot less safe........What do you mean? Whats unsafe about the co2 or HPA cylinders we use?
Could it be the uninformed uneducated user?

[Muzikman]

beemer,

I don't think he is saying the tanks we use are unsafe, but I am sure they are not as safe as a battery pack. Case in point, which would you rather smash with a 20lb hammer, an HPA tank or a 18v battery pack? Batteries are pretty fool proof. Just don't stick your tongue to the terminals and you will be fine. Filling HPA or even CO2 can be dangerous, the few deaths caused by CO2 tanks is proof of this. How many people have you heard die from charging their camcorder battery?

[hardr0ck68]

beemer i honestly wounder how long you have been playing with that comment.

I have played tournys at about every level and have seen some VERY scary stuff. Macro and micro line blow outs are common (one knocked my inner ear around pretty good), filling to 2500 on a WWII vintage air compressor used origionally to fill flame thorwers (local feild that thankfully went under), i dont think anything on that pile was safe. I have seen fill nipples break on filling, i have seen the quick disconnect come appart (as in tiny ball bearings flying threw the air) , i have had my un-hydroed tank filled many times, i have seen tired players fill a 3000 tank to 4500 at those help your self fill lines.... how safe do you really think 4500psi air is? Eventually people are gonna die, and its not gonna be some walk ons mom, maybe it will take a member of RL gettin killed before we crack down on bombs.

[manike]

So you think the cylinders we use arent safe.

I didn't say that. Read what I said please, and take it as that, no more, no less.

Alot less safe........What do you mean? Whats unsafe about the co2 or HPA cylinders we use?
Could it be the uninformed uneducated user?

Yes it could be, but we need to find solutions for that also.

The cylinders we use are EXTREMELY safe.

There have, however been a few accidents over the years caused by the use of compresses gases that wouldn't have happened with these guns. I and NPS are always working on ways to make paintball safer.

Even though the number of accidents in this sport are extremely low, the significant ones have happened during the filling of tanks or due to the use of tanks. These accidents are statistically insignificant, BUT for me that isn't enough, and if we can reduce them to never happening again, that is better!

We have a new Co2 (and HPA) valve design that will prevent the incidents of flying co2 tanks.

We also have a new barrel plug coming that actually works and conforms to the ASTM standards (most/many barrel plugs do not). These barrel plugs work better in the majority of circumstances and have advantages over the barrel condoms.

Safety IS a priority for us in this industry.

[Beemer]

beemer i honestly wounder how long you have been playing with that comment.

I have played tournys at about every level and have seen some VERY scary stuff. Macro and micro line blow outs are common (one knocked my inner ear around pretty good), filling to 2500 on a WWII vintage air compressor used origionally to fill flame thorwers (local feild that thankfully went under), i dont think anything on that pile was safe. I have seen fill nipples break on filling, i have seen the quick disconnect come appart (as in tiny ball bearings flying threw the air) , i have had my un-hydroed tank filled many times, i have seen tired players fill a 3000 tank to 4500 at those help your self fill lines.... how safe do you really think 4500psi air is? Eventually people are gonna die, and its not gonna be some walk ons mom, maybe it will take a member of RL gettin killed before we crack down on bombs.

Been playing since 85. Did the tourny thing for 10yrs. Thought I saw it all in that time but every time I go out I see more.[unsafe crap] You should get your tank tested. Why do people use macro or micro if it is prone to blow outs. You forgot Flash fills. According to Manike its EXTREMELY safe.

We also have a new barrel plug coming that actually works and conforms to the ASTM standards (most/many barrel plugs do not). These barrel plugs work better in the majority of circumstances and have advantages over the barrel condoms.

Safety IS a priority for us in this industry.

I know what you said I read it.
Hey dont get me wrong. I like the gun for the simple fact that it eliminates half of the dangerous variables for the entry level player.


Good job on the BBD to. But when did conforming to ASTM standards mean anything.
Like the Dye add I saw that said our gogs are tested to twice the current ASTM impact standards. But wait their guns dont meet any standards. Thats great. How many guns does NPS and everybody else sell that dont meet ASTM standards? Ask JJ he should know that one.

[Kallahan]

I kinda doubt battery life will get much better, what may get better is the utilization of that battery. Batteries have historically been behind, when it comes to electronic devices.

Az

Actually, there has been some recent stuff going on with Lithium Ion and Lithium Sulfide batteries that is pretty interesting. But you right, the rate at which battery tech is evolving is incredibly slow.

[oldsoldier]

Simon, you've piqued my interest in this software. Also, being a mini compressor (for lack of a better description), is it user-serviceable? I can definitely see this being used for field rentals (hopefully, they would survive), and for people just starting into the sport. And, I want to reiterate that, I think the onboard compressor thing may take off someday within the tourney community, provided it provides shots comparable to a tank, is reliable, and probably user serviceable. Way to think outside the box. :)

[manike]

Oldsoldier, for people that have no basic technical capabilities I think we would prefer them to stay out of the mechanism. :) But if you have basic understanding then yes I think it is user serviceable.

ASTM standards are voluntary.