non-mag shooting zgrip users.

[TheBigRaguPB4L]

i was sportin my zgrip retro last week when a few people asked me to try it out. of course i wanted to show off the mag so i handed it over. i let about 3 people shoot it when i noticed something. all these people(none of them shot mags) knew how to hold the thing. they still cocked their wrists like they were on a regular frame. i looked and kept correcting them but they just weren't getting it. is it me? do you have to shoot mags to know how to shoot a zgrip? they just couldn't keep their wrists straight. i couldn't understand. is it really taht difficult? i don't think it is. i don't know.

[Wheelman]

not hard to understand

Most people, when they have trained themselves to do something have a hard time breaking thier patterns. Like a right hander with perfect penmanship switching the pen to his left hand and writing (not a very good example, sorry)
Or better, someone who owns a car with a standard transmisson gettin into an automatic and taking off, I hope I am not the only one out there who has mistaken the brake for a clutch.

[booyah]

I hate driving my girlfriends car!!! dang automagic...

but back on topic, many people out there have gotten used to making compensations for the 45 frame since that is all they have ever known... then when you give them something that is better they have no idea how to use it, and even if they did it wouldnt feel right or be as user accurate since they arent used to it.

those are two reasons why the zgrip didnt take off as it should have... I know i loved mine when i had it, but just couldnt stop short stroking on a classic mag, when it was on an RT i could rock on it.

-Booyah

[alf]

i have noticed the same thing

they put it up to their shoulder, and they get this look on their face like they just tasted paint...

then i tell em "put it up HIGH on your shoulder...tuck your elbow in...see how easy it is to keep your elbow in now? its REALLY comfortable in a big game"

and then they go "ahhhhh...it looks funky, but feels good"

[Army]

Not really unusual. While at PanAm in Vegas, I was letting everyone shoot Big Red since most had never seen a Z up close, if at all. 98% did as you said, held it like a regular frame, then said "It's hard to hold....how can you run and shoot....I don't see how it is different....can you put one on a 'cocker....it looks ugly....it looks cool....how do you shoot it....what's wrong with that grip dude?"

After I showed them that it is ergonomically correct, and that their ROF would go up, many changed their mind about it. I could have sold a few while there!

I always get funny looks at the field, and then they notice the Zgrip......(rim shot, cymbal crash)......but I also get positive comments about the frame from players who "get it".

[shartley]

[Wheelman]

You know what would be cool, a Z-grip and one of those 15* ASA things. If you walked at an angle you could really mess with people....and start to question your own sanity.

[FooTemps]

There's another egronomic design that everone loves in paintball... DYE STICKY GRIPS! Yes, they are egronomic. Those finger grooves really help raise comfort levels cuz it keeps your fingers from crunching. I haven't tried the 32* gel grips but I assume they are the same.

[Xzion]

The way I figure it, I have my Z-Grip and love it, if someone is intrested in trying it and ask me if they can try it, sure I'll show em how to hold it properly and such, if they dont like it, thats their 'problem', not mine, I'll love it whether they do or not, heck, most of the people I know locally that ive shown it to didnt really care for it, as far as I'm concerned, its their loss my gain. As shartly said, To each their own.

[MajorDamage]

We hooked my Zgrip up to my friend's shocker to see what it looked like, it looked cool!

ENDO!

[Bad Dave]

Path Dependence

Why did VHS win over Betamax

PC over Apple Mac

Qwerty over other designs in keyboard layout

Once established path dependence can set in and allow inefficient solutions win out over better more logical/efficient solutions.

[FooTemps]

Hm... Are you trying the say the z-grip will fail? The .45 grip is an efficient design for a real gun though but in paintball it's innefficient. People don't understand the paintball guns don't really apply like real guns do and always mistake egronomic design for... uh, weird(give me a break, I couldn't think of a good word...)

I consider the qwerty design of a keyboard to be pretty egronomic actually. An "ABCDEFG" design would be far to hard to type because most of the time you have to use only one hand to type on each side. typing something like alphabet wouldn't be hard but typing things like alex would be a pain in the butt because my middle finger would be dancing around the keyboard...

[shartley]

FooTemps

Hm... Are you trying the say the z-grip will fail? The .45 grip is an efficient design for a real gun though but in paintball it's innefficient. People don't understand the paintball guns don't really apply like real guns do and always mistake egronomic design for... uh, weird(give me a break, I couldn't think of a good word...)

I consider the qwerty design of a keyboard to be pretty egronomic actually. An "ABCDEFG" design would be far to hard to type because most of the time you have to use only one hand to type on each side. typing something like alphabet wouldn't be hard but typing things like alex would be a pain in the butt because my middle finger would be dancing around the keyboard...

[FooTemps]

Wow! I see what you mean about the failing a product thing. I would like one of those Dvorak boards if it could increase my typing productivity as much as they say it does. It's strange how people always do things the hard way.

[Army]

Daaaaanng! I actually enjoyed reading a Shartley post!