Forget it no harm was ment, but 12 ga. slugs don't bury themselves in engine blocks. I have seen 12 slugs shot a vehicle and they ricohet off the hood and did not stop the vehicle. The key is not the weight of a bullet or fast it goes. Its a combination of speed, weight and design. Some rounds have been found to be a great performer normal, but change the bullet and it sucks ie: the military 5.56 mm green tip vs. LE federal tactical rounds.
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I suppose bull was calling out on me
Eh, Big heavy bullets traveling at the same relative speed as a smaller lighter bullet will carry more energy but lack the penetrating power of the smaller round.
Consider a 10 penny nail vs. a Railroad spike. The 10 penny will be easier to drive into a block of wood and can be done with a small hammer. The Railroad spike will require, a larger hammer in order to penetrate the block of wood. OR you can think of the nail and spike with the same energy (the nail will be traveling faster) hitting a block of wood. The nail will most likely stick, the spike'll probably just nock the block over.
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I hope America never gets this PC
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Nooooooo!!! The EVIL Glock Forums!!!! I'm blind.... I'm blind!!!! ACH!!!!Comment
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Sorry not really trying to call anyone out
You anology sounds good and is true is some aspects. Consider this, if you fire a 50 cal BMG round and a 5.56 round which will have better penetration at any distrance. Now that is using two rounds that are pretty far apart. Bullet design also has a effect. The army green round is designed to be somewhat as a armor pirecing round. The problem is when it hits a person it just zips through like a icepick. Making a neat hole with no damage. LE hollowpoints do not have this problem and show to have a "better first hit" take down, while some soliders complain that the green tip does not put someone down and takes multiple hits to do so. Alot of this is subjective and firearms is still a art and not always a science. sorry about the spelling I am not the greatest typest.
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A wink is the same as a nod to a blind man.... (it's so tough to read sarcasm)
it's cool, bull. I understand what you are saying. I've seen slugs both penetrate and ricochet off. However when it comes to penetration versus people, this discussion is moot...
lol.
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Really, this is a bad idea too. The smart thing to do is to attempt to sneak out of your home and call 911 from a safe distance away. The burglar could just as well say he was walking down the street in front of your home when you assulted him and kidnapped him.Originally posted by indulgenceIf you see a burglar on your driveway, wait for him to get into your frontyard, better yet, your house. Kinda hard to disprove that he wasn't on your property.
True story:
My home was broken into about 15 years ago. I was in high school at the time, and the break-in occured at about 2:30 in the afternoon. My father came home from golfing and walked inside the front door with the burglar standing about 20 feet away in the kitchen. Dad later told me he even said 'Hello' to the burglar, thinking it was one of my friends -- that we had ditched our last class of the day, which my clique back then frequently did. When the burglar never said anything back, dad realized exactly what was happening and rushed him. Long story short, dad was the hero for the day, but the first detective on the scene (a friend of my fathers even) warned that for his sake, they'd better find a broken window and some fingerprints somewhere. A lot of these incidents wind up as a he-said-she-said affair, and can end very, very badly for the victim. In our case, dad "got lucky" in that all of my CDs and my Sega Genesis were shoved in a duffel bag in my room, though I hadn't been home to do that. That was the only evidence that proved a burglar was in our home, rather than dad being a kidnapper, nevermind the stranger laying face down on the kitchen floor, unconscious 'cause dad laid him out.
You should also always assume that burglars are working in pairs, with someone on lookout. It simply isn't worth it.
The woman in this story got lucky. 9 times out of 10 this story is just another break-in/assult where you shake your head and wonder why a burglar would've killed her over a TV, a Playstation, an iPod ...Comment
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I think that todays burglers are smarter than ppl are giving credit for. Many of them dress as a utilities worker w/ the uniform and even a fake meter, and pretend to be meter reading...etc. Chances are that you wont even know that someone is staking out your home to rob it when you arent there. Why would someone break in when you are Obviously home instead of lurking and finding out your schedule times, and hitting your home when youre gone. Then they can take their time and get what they want.Comment
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lol I was reffereing more to the 12 ga. Slug vs. the .30-06Originally posted by bullSorry not really trying to call anyone out You anology sounds good and is true is some aspects. Consider this, if you fire a 50 cal BMG round and a 5.56 round which will have better penetration at any distrance. Now that is using two rounds that are pretty far apart. Bullet design also has a effect. The army green round is designed to be somewhat as a armor pirecing round. The problem is when it hits a person it just zips through like a icepick. Making a neat hole with no damage. LE hollowpoints do not have this problem and show to have a "better first hit" take down, while some soliders complain that the green tip does not put someone down and takes multiple hits to do so. Alot of this is subjective and firearms is still a art and not always a science. sorry about the spelling I am not the greatest typest.
One thing that someone said that kinda strikes me as odd, but hey. Millitary rounds are designed to wound rather than kill, reason being that when you wound an enemy soldier you not only remove that soldier from the fight but at least one other who stops to help his buddy out. If you kill'em, they're dead and there's no helping them. LE rounds are, by design, intended to kill.Comment
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Fenix I'll argue this point with you
LE rounds are not designed to kill. The one thing a LE is trained to do is shoot to incapacitate, not to kill. We shoot to stop. If has been found the fastest way to stop someone from their intended action is a shot to center mass. This is really what the military wants too. Yes it has always been said a wounded enemy takes up more logistics and personnel than a dead man, but..... The military designs their rounds to be the most lethal(deadly) within certian guidelines. Shortetrm wounding is nice, but longterm killing is better for the military (moral of enemy). They shout kill in bootcamp not wound .
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This is how most shooters in defensive situations are trained - and its not just for physical purposes. Most handguns, with good ammo, shot to the center of mass or just a bit above are extremely deadly. However, it is good to be able to look at someone in court and say - I was shooting to stop the attack, nothing more. You were not shooting to kill someone, you just happened to.Originally posted by bullFenix I'll argue this point with you
LE rounds are not designed to kill. The one thing a LE is trained to do is shoot to incapacitate, not to kill. We shoot to stop. If has been found the fastest way to stop someone from their intended action is a shot to center mass."Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. Its not" - Dr SuessComment
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NRA cases teach multiple shots aimed towards the center of mass. Acceptable "defensive" accuracy involves a circle centered in that area with an 8" diameter. The courses also teach to fire until the threat stops - as in at least a few shots. Look at center of mass on yourself, then hold up a pie plate there... now adjsut it a touch higher (one of those unwritten rules). Those shots, spread out a bit, are going to be deadly. I reiterate you were not shooting to kill, you were shooting to stop the imminent and serious threat of great bodily harm (theres other situations, but that tends to be the words that need to be heard from a civilian)... it was just deadly because... well it was."Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. Its not" - Dr SuessComment
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Great job to the girl! I guess a spyder has done some thing worth commending.
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Wow that girls got ballzComment
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