VL Envy

[B.A.M.]

Ricochet Apache is the best of both worlds. With the new 2005 motor upgrade, my Apache puts out 20 bps and is a half pound lighter than a HALo. Also a quarter pound lighter thana HALO. It's also the only motorized loader on the market that can be used as a standard gravity fed hopper if the batteries die, or board blows out. You don't need some nonsense product like the Rip-Drive, you just shake it.

Im pretty sure that if you have a good hopper you'll have a good gun so if you use the apache gravity hopper it'll be more trouble than its worth.

[TheTramp]

Ricochet Apache is the best of both worlds. With the new 2005 motor upgrade, my Apache puts out 20 bps and is a half pound lighter than a HALo. Also a quarter pound lighter thana HALO. It's also the only motorized loader on the market that can be used as a standard gravity fed hopper if the batteries die, or board blows out. You don't need some nonsense product like the Rip-Drive, you just shake it.

1) After reading the test results on Warpig that show the Apache only doing 16.1 bps in a free fall test (let alone the slower on gun tests) I have to put the 20bps into the I'll believe it if, and only if, I see it.

2) Is it a half a pound lighter or quarter pound lighter. You say both.

3) As I said above, I'll take the speed over a little weight loss any day.

4) The rip drive gives you 5-10 balls of force feed paint. Much better IMHO than VL200 style.

With all of that said, I do use my Reloader 2 frequently dispite the fact that it feeds 14bps at best. Light, fast enough for non cheating fingers, and it's pretty cheap.

[jewie27]

1) After reading the test results on Warpig that show the Apache only doing 16.1 bps in a free fall test (let alone the slower on gun tests) I have to put the 20bps into the I'll believe it if, and only if, I see it.

2) Is it a half a pound lighter or quarter pound lighter. You say both.

3) As I said above, I'll take the speed over a little weight loss any day.

4) The rip drive gives you 5-10 balls of force feed paint. Much better IMHO than VL200 style.

With all of that said, I do use my Reloader 2 frequently dispite the fact that it feeds 14bps at best. Light, fast enough for non cheating fingers, and it's pretty cheap.

Quarter pound lighter than a EVOLUTION II, sorry I made a Typo and wasn't paying attention.

[jewie27]

The test on Warpig was done LAST YEAR, on the older style paddle/motor. The new $10 upgrade from Ricochet gives you a stronger motor and stiffer paddle assembly. It increases the Feed rate up to 20 bps.

[jewie27]

I suggest you start hitting the weights. I hate when people complain a paintball gun, hopper.. is heavy. If it is to heavey then start lifting weights

I'll never work out. I don't care. I just play.

[Chris42050]

Ricochet Apache is the best of both worlds. With the new 2005 motor upgrade, my Apache puts out 20 bps and is a half pound lighter than a HALo. Also a quarter pound lighter thana Evolution II. It's also the only motorized loader on the market that can be used as a standard gravity fed hopper if the batteries die, or board blows out. You don't need some nonsense product like the Rip-Drive, you just shake it.

Not to pick on you but reloader's (the sound activated revvy) still feeds when the batteries die.

[tony3]

I'd love to see a gun set full auto 20 bps with an apache and see if it keeps up, I doubt it could since it isnt a true force feed loader, just a glorified rico 2k.

[gc82000]

All this arguing about someone's opinion.

[Codekevin0403]

nobody's even on topic anymore...

and anyways, what's wrong with an apache?
It doesn't have to keep up with the halos's, but hey, if you outshoot it, then buy a halo, if you don't, then buy the apache, since it's a nice loader. jeez

[jewie27]

Not to pick on you but reloader's (the sound activated revvy) still feeds when the batteries die.

You are not picking on me. You may be pointing out something I never heard of. As far as I know, pretty much all motorized loaders except Ricochet, can jam when the motor stops spinning.

[jewie27]

I'd love to see a gun set full auto 20 bps with an apache and see if it keeps up, I doubt it could since it isnt a true force feed loader, just a glorified rico 2k.

Not glorified at all... It does what it says it does. The difference is the catch cup that's not in the 2K models. The cup prevents paintballs from being hit to the sides of the hopper by the paddles. It keeps the paint in the center of the loader so it can travel faster.

Anyways, I got to this topic because someone was talking about HALOs. I said HALOs are heavy. I'd say for over 80% of paintballers out there can't hit 30 bps or more on their markers.
So a HALO is just plain overkill. I'd pay you 100 bucks for anyone that can even get close to 30 bps on semi-auto no bounce. I bet no one can even consistently hit 20 bps ( or get a long string at that speed).

[ultralight]

[QUOTE=Lurker27]Same problem as the Qloader.

You can't reload until the pod is empty. No flexibilty.QUOTE]

you just throw in a new, full pod. and discard the old 1/4 full one.

it just means that those guys who carry a case on their backs will finally get some use out of those ridiculous 6+8 and 5+4+2 harnesses.

personally, i like the idea of a "magazine" based system. i think that VL's latest entry is far from perfect but, nonetheless, a step in the right direction.

[Glickman]

yep atleast its a step

i think it just should be re-arranged cometically


be really nice if the caps for the pods are cheap (q-pods are redicuously priced)

[billmi]

The test on Warpig was done LAST YEAR, on the older style paddle/motor. The new $10 upgrade from Ricochet gives you a stronger motor and stiffer paddle assembly. It increases the Feed rate up to 20 bps.

I've tested both the origial Apache, and the upgraded motor and new paddle assembly:

http://www.warpig.com/paintball/technical/loaders/apache_update/

[TheTramp]

I read that artical and I believe saying it feeds around 13-14bps is fair and is giving it the benifit of the doubt (8.67 balls out of 10 feed at 14bps)

I just felt that it wasn't worth arguing with someone who's inststing that it feeds at 20bps.