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  • UThomas
    Registered User

    • Dec 2002
    • 767

    #16
    Yea, Manike bought it about 30 minutes before I went to claim it. Doc still has it and has been holding it for Manike for like 3+ months despite me having cash in hand...
    Thomas http://www.thomaspaintball.com http://www.youtube.com/user/Thomas4093

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    • Korrosion
      Registered User
      • Oct 2002
      • 149

      #17
      Originally posted by Lohman446
      LOL.. your not familar with Doc are you?
      Actually I read the guild regularly... I also know that if someone were to wave 10k in cash under my nose they would have my complete and undivided attention. Everyone has a price, its just a matter of finding out what it is. I truely believe that for enough $ I could purchase a v-twin and get it in 7 days. It might cost more then a house but I could get it faster for enough $. Feasible? nope Possible? yep.
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      • Duzzy
        Mentally confused, wanders

        • Apr 2004
        • 940

        #18
        Hmmm... Put two JAM AC Bolts in that... Maybe an E-Blade, possibly Turtle it. That has some beautiful possibilities for anyone who has enough money... None of them terribly practical, but it might cut down on the weight.

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        • UThomas
          Registered User

          • Dec 2002
          • 767

          #19
          You can't JAM bolt it, that would be unsafe. Since it shares one valve if you blocked one side then the otherside would shoot hot unless you modified the bolt to have a vent.
          Thomas http://www.thomaspaintball.com http://www.youtube.com/user/Thomas4093

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          • "the FitZ"
            Registered User
            • Dec 2003
            • 171

            #20
            can you say...reciprocating mass! Also does any remember the nasty typhoon. pretty much the same thing 'cept I believe it was a double spyder or mag.
            Shocker=spyder that shoots out it's butt

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            • SlartyBartFast
              The Flying Scotsman
              • Jun 2002
              • 2940

              #21
              Originally posted by the FitZ
              can you say...reciprocating mass! Also does any remember the nasty typhoon. pretty much the same thing 'cept I believe it was a double spyder or mag.
              Palmer's DOES NOT work with Spyders!

              You can get any of the Palmer guns in 'nasty form. His prices would be much less than Doc's I'd guess and you'd likely take delivery in THIS lifetime and not have to will the receipt to your heirs.


              Less tahn 1000$:

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              • SlartyBartFast
                The Flying Scotsman
                • Jun 2002
                • 2940

                #22
                Originally posted by UThomas
                Yea, Manike bought it about 30 minutes before I went to claim it. Doc still has it and has been holding it for Manike for like 3+ months despite me having cash in hand...
                I think Doc owes Manike one for the PGP that never got finished....

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                • Doc Nickel
                  Unrepentant Gadget freak

                  • Jul 2001
                  • 499

                  #23
                  Originally posted by UThomas
                  Yea, Manike bought it about 30 minutes before I went to claim it. Doc still has it and has been holding it for Manike for like 3+ months despite me having cash in hand...
                  -Manike "claimed" it when I first built the thing in '03. He said if I ever decided to sell, he'd buy it- therefore when I put it up for sale, his claim, which he repeated, took priority. Then his father fell ill, and he was forced to fly back to England at least once, perhaps twice, which put a damper on the transaction. I eventually went ahead and mailed it, I assume he has it now.

                  As I told you, I'd be happy to make another. You said you didn't want to wait, and wanted the "first" one, not, presumably a copy or merely "just another" one. I got the impression that if you couldn't have that one, right then and there, you didn't want it.

                  Another individual less concerned with time or ultimate exclusivity has contracted another, which I'm working on now. I contracted delivery within six weeks, which the customer was quite happy with, and a deadline I'll easily meet. How much? As the saying goes- if you have to ask, you can't afford it.

                  As for working faster, I would either have to clone myself or take up methamphetemines on an hourly basis.

                  Doc.

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                  • ICP
                    Who needs two tubes??
                    • Feb 2005
                    • 424

                    #24
                    hmm, meth on an hourly basis, That might work, and least for a little while

                    I have to ask, were you (doc) serious about taking 1/2 hour or more to sharpen a drill bit? That is way off base, even when doing it by hand. (before I get flamed, yes I'm a machinist and sharpen drill bits daily, although unless they are bigger than 1" I use a drill sharpner. But I still do plenty by hand)

                    Nice work though, you seem to have real quality workmanship.

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                    • Codekevin0403
                      Whoa we can do this????
                      • Mar 2005
                      • 269

                      #25
                      wow that is the sweetest gun i've ever seen

                      What i wouldn't give to own that cocker.

                      thanks

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                      • Doc Nickel
                        Unrepentant Gadget freak

                        • Jul 2001
                        • 499

                        #26
                        Originally posted by ICP
                        I have to ask, were you (doc) serious about taking 1/2 hour or more to sharpen a drill bit? That is way off base, even when doing it by hand.
                        -If you're just giving a 1/2" drill a quick lick and don't care of the hole is ever so slightly lobed and maybe .510" or so through a chunk of 3/8" plate, then yes, even hand grinding is quick and easy.

                        But if you have a .200" drill and want to drill an absolutely straight hole five inches deep, that needs to meet up as precisely as possible with another absolutely straight hole coming in from the other direction, and you want to minimize belling, tapering or lobing, and you want the hole to stay as close to .200"/.201" as possible, it takes a little more time.

                        That hole is a "pilot hole"- the more accurate it is, the more accurate the final dimension hole, assuming each sucessive drill is treated with equal care.

                        But as I pointed out, I "cheated" on a couple of those holes, using a fresh-from-the-box drill that needed no resharpening.

                        However, the most critical one was the final bore for the bolts. As I recall, I used a 43/64ths drill (.671") as the final step before reaming. The previous size was 5/8" (.625") so the last drill step was only cutting a bit over 0.020" per tooth. That's actually too little for a drill that size, and would have magnified any drill lip or side clearance errors.

                        Had I not made absolutely sure the drill had accurate and identical cutting lips, it would have wandered, either drilling an offset hole (the "higher" lip would have grabbed, tending to cut more on one side) and/or "lobing", making a vaguely triangular hole.

                        And since the reamer will follow the bore, cutting largely equally from all sides, rather than boring a "straight" hole, the final drill was arguably the most crucial. Therefore I took extra time and care sharpening each drill as accurately as I was capable.

                        As it is, I had some ugliness with the reamer anyway- I'd gotten a cheap import rather than a name brand American- and there were some chatter issues and minor problems when it came time to rebore after pressing in the feed necks. But it works, and I know what not to do next time.

                        Kevin- Keep in mind one photo is a mockup (the one with the Max Flow and Race frame) and the other was just thrown together parts for testing. I have some far better, more finished photos around here somewhere- polished, with a chrome Race- but I don't think they're online.

                        Doc.

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                        • Korrosion
                          Registered User
                          • Oct 2002
                          • 149

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Doc Nickel
                          As for working faster, I would either have to clone myself or take up methamphetemines on an hourly basis.

                          Doc.
                          Ah ha, see... :-p He admits that if I could pay enough $ to buy a clone of himself then he could work faster. By that logic more $ = faster work. Feasible : probably not. Possible : yes. You do great work Doc, rock on.
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                          • ICP
                            Who needs two tubes??
                            • Feb 2005
                            • 424

                            #28
                            oh, believe me I understand about precision holes, and I kinda figured that's why it took longer to sharpen the bit you were using. I was just surprised that you said a half hour.
                            And yes, most of my work is in production, automatic screw machines,cnc turning centers, collet lathes,etc. With hole tolerances usaully +.001 -.000 But I do a lot manual machining also. BTW I understand about the cheap crap reamers, my boss is extremely cheap when it comes to tooling, I guess he just doesn't see the fact that even at twice the price, a good reamer will outlast a cheap one, at least 3 to 1.

                            hmm that's way off topic SORRY

                            Nice work on that marker,and the others I've seen of yours.

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                            • UThomas
                              Registered User

                              • Dec 2002
                              • 767

                              #29
                              . You said you didn't want to wait, and wanted the "first" one, not, presumably a copy or merely "just another" one. I got the impression that if you couldn't have that one, right then and there, you didn't want it.

                              That is correct. For each additional one made, the previous ones are worth less. If they started cranking out westwoods tomorrow prices would drop through the floor. A double barrel cocker is very much a novelty. I also am not patient and tollerant of sporatic communication (so to speak). I know this, I own this, and I buy things with that in mind

                              But who knows, maybe we'll be in touch in the future on a half blocked modular breach one as I mentioned through e-mail.
                              Thomas http://www.thomaspaintball.com http://www.youtube.com/user/Thomas4093

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