Make a NEW GUN AGD!

[JKR]

To me, paintball will always be more about function over form. AGD offers several products that are reliable and function very well.

Repackaging the same 'gun over and over with different milling or anodizing does not constitute innovation.

It's funny, you don't hear Palmer owners continually complaining for lack of new products. Their product line has remained basically unchanged for some time. Yes, it is a custom shop but many of the staple products (Blazer, Typhoon, Houndstooth, Super Stocker) have remained about the same for years.

Justin

[Muzikman]

It's funny, you don't hear Palmer owners continually complaining for lack of new products. Their product line has remained basically unchanged for some time. Yes, it is a custom shop but many of the staple products (Blazer, Typhoon, Houndstooth, Super Stocker) have remained about the same for years.

Justin

Very true. Glenn has always stated he sells what works. He spent many years figuring out what works and that is what he knows.

Why should someone go away from what they know works to try and invent something they are unsure of?

[tony3]

The thing with agd though, they could keep repacking the ULE rt custom in new annos and milling. The ULE RT custom really can't compete much anymore. With the new wave a cheap electros with break beam eyes well under the price of the ule rt custom they just can't compete imo. If agd made a new break beam, efficent, single tube marker, I'd most likely by it. I loved my rt, just wasn't fast enough or efficent for me.

[punkncat]

The ULE RT custom really can't compete much anymore. With the new wave a cheap electros with break beam eyes well under the price of the ule rt custom they just can't compete imo. If agd made a new break beam, efficent, single tube marker, I'd most likely by it. I loved my rt, just wasn't fast enough or efficent for me.

I find it funny that you say that. I just stepped back into an RT because I felt like it was fast enough and efficent enough to serve the purpose well. I am not a huge fan of LX just because of the air usage, and the tinker factor, but at the same time, it such a rock solid design. I mean why go messing with what isn't broken?

The RT mag can easily be tuned with an adjustable tank to be as fast as it needs to be, especially with the trend in the market for some sort of cap. With the Q valve being around the corner and the aftermarket availability of lighter E frames, I really can't see the mag going anywhere.

I am not saying they have a strong market share right now, but what is that really other than a lack of advertizing and a strong tourney circuit showing? How many kids have run out and bought the marker used by the top finisher at World Cup for instance? Did those people win just because of their marker? No, they won because the maufacturer was willing to spend what it took to aquire the good players and support their play. I don't mean this as a knock to ANY team than has been sponsered by AGD....but I don't see a big name playing with them(AGD). Most people have no idea who are/have been sponsored by AGD. There is no name recognition. Where is AGD's LaSoya?

But as has been said here and before, there is absolutely nothing wrong with going on with what apparently is working to some extent.....honestly though the lack of new information, the slow whittling away of the website, the lack of posts or information on the new owner....all these things tend to bring on a bit of scepticism by the "locals".

[rx2]

It is quite possible that they are working on something. But, just to be realistic, here are some things to consider, in my opinion.

Would it be cost effective, and ultimately profitable for them to make a new marker? I know that this being a mag forum, many would blindly say "of course, you fool." However, it isn't cheap to produce something truly new and innovative. After all of the R&D, and these days, legal liability, you could run into a lot of money, which AGD may or may not have, or be willing to invest. Additionally, would people eve be interested in this new technology? What would be the ultimate cost/benefit relationship. Many people are still wary of anything AGD. Furthermore, there is getting to be less to realistically innovate or improve upon. Sure, you can squeeze out a little more efficiency and battery life, and make things easier for the end user to service himself, but what else is there? Don't say accurized paintballs, either, because I seriously doubt that AGD is interested, or that they would even have the money it would take to create a product that would not be compatible with current markers and loaders, and thus would not sell for a long time, if ever. Really, markers today are more capable than humans could ever exploit, and while there are many out there who will pay for useless innovation, that is no gaurantee that AGD could pull it off.

Let us, then, consider that perhaps they could come out with something new, but based on or borrowing from current designs. In a saturated market, could AGD even sell if they didn't have something innovative and exciting? Again, a lot of people love to hate AGD, and even if they could come out with something that, while based on existing designs, still operated better, and perhaps even looked better, those people would still bash it.

Another problem is that even the installed fan-base of AGD has proven to be somewhat fickle, and AGD runs the risk that even they would not be willing to shell out the cash when the product hit the streets. And, even if initial sales amongst AGD fans were high, how long would it be before people moved on to something else, and then sales dropped through the floor.

There are a lot of variables to consider. In all, would it even be worth it for AGD to put out something new? The costs, and risks, are very high, especially for a company that doesn't have a huge backing, both in the corporate and user areas.

I would love to see something new from AGD, and I would love to be able to support that product. I have owned AGD markers since 93 or 94, and I still have my original mag from back then. I don't know if it is possible, though, for them to come out with something revolutionary enough, or appealing enough to the jaded masses to make them money. Making money, people, is what it is all about in business.

[mag88888]

AGD doesnt need any kind of new valve system at all. its great IMO. we just dont have an electro trigger frame to keep up witht the valve. what are we gonna do with a practically unlimited bps capped valve witha mech trigger frame. the trigger frames are IMO the problem.
if AGD came out witha "new" gun with the same valve as the x valve, same rails, same ULE bodies, maybe some fades going on here, and they had a new electro trigger frame it would be complete. everything is fine but the trigger frame. even if we have one of the fastest valves around, can we actually make it go to that limit? the answer is no. many of you here on AO think they can pull 15 bps on their mech mag, but can they actually, no. we need something that makes it easier to pull that 15 bps. and 15 bps is faster than it sounds to alot of you. its FAST.

[Miscue]

The Q-Valve is not a Mag.

[Target Practice]

The Q-Valve is not a Mag.

^^ In case someone misses it.

What would they come out with? A new body? The ULE and DW stuff pretty much covers that. A new valve? Eh, I'm not holding my breath. An electro-mag? Again, I don't know if they'd do it in this environment. The hAir? Hahahahaha...*sigh*.

The way I see it, A Deadlywind, X-Valved, ULT, ULE Mag is the pinnacle of the "Automag" design.

I just hope AGD can prove me wrong.

[RoadDawg]

=Target PracticeThe way I see it, A Deadlywind, X-Valved, ULT, ULE Mag is the pinnacle of the "Automag" design.

I just hope AGD can prove me wrong.

See I see it a bit differently. I think the pinnacle is a Deadlywind Devilmag. It's light and extremely fast, plus has the slick looks.

Another thing I love about mags now, is the fact that we have choices on body designs, valves, trigger frames and rails. The regular ULE body looks good but it has room for improvement. Rogue did some modifications and made it look different (it only takes one cut to make anything different cosmetically) and added an extra "wow" factor to an otherwise bland rail(as did Nicad). The deadlywind bodies are nice too. I'm still a fan of the SS mini bodies too. We have lots of choices in products to build your own custom mag. Build your own to your own specs and stop complaining.

The overall design of a mag will probably not change. IT is designed around the valve system. Only way AGD can make a different mag, is to redesign the valve system.

[Target Practice]

See I see it a bit differently. I think the pinnacle is a Deadlywind Devilmag. It's light and extremely fast, plus has the slick looks.

But that's a DW thing, not AGD. I'm not saying that other entities can't come out with new products, I'm just looking at the AGD part of it.

[RoadDawg]

But that's a DW thing, not AGD. I'm not saying that other entities can't come out with new products, I'm just looking at the AGD part of it.

It still is a mag. What makes a mag a mag is the valve system. Nothing else.

[Jack & Coke]

The Q-Valve is not a Mag.

He B, what's up! :)

Is a "shocker" really a "shocker"? (03 vs pre-03)

IMO, given enough time the "name" will sink in...

At a glance, people will see a "mag", even if they have no idea what type of valve the gun has. All they "see" is "mag".

Only the die-hard MAG loyalists will notice or care that someone called a mag with an internal valve change, a "mag".

What if Tom created the mq-valve concept and introduced it as LvL 11? Most people here would be probably be cheering and embracing it considering the advertised possible performance increases (by Mel). I doubt anyone would challenge the great AGD on the name... "mag".

cheers,

[Target Practice]

It still is a mag. What makes a mag a mag is the valve system. Nothing else.

Exactly. That's why I don't think it's going to be AGD that's going to come out with anything new. Other people might come out with new stuff for AGD products, but that's different.

[O-Mag67]

I agree with Mag88888. I don't think that a "new" marker is needed. What I'd like to see is an E-frame for my Retro mini or a pneumatic trigger assembly put together by AGD. I think the bodies/valves are great not to mention the feed system that they put together. I'd like to be able to use the performance I have already in the gun I have now. That would be somthing I'd be willing to pay money for.

[jaredborne]

The only thing I fear is if AGD makes a pnumatic (sp?) frame or electro, they will run about $500 or so..