BPS challenge have a vid

[Gumbe]

give me the fingur that fast how do you do that

[yakitori]

give me the fingur that fast how do you do that

lol, sorry bout the birdie. that was just my natural feel. It had nothing to do w/ the situation, I promise.

soundwave anyone?

[SCpoloRicker]

And yes. Even if I didnt accomplish what I said I could, at least I changed the demeaner or any animosity (spelling?) between anyone. I think there should be more things like this to spark discussion instead of us ending up arguing about things.

But aren't we just going to end up circling, saying nothing, and riding the mag bandwagon?

[rx2]

I analyzed the sound file in both Pro Tools and Steinberg Wavelab 5.0, using an absolute grid set to 1 second increments. I selected exactly five seconds of the sound file, and I selected from the middle to ensure that I didn't count the beginning, where you were a lot slower, and the ending in which you tapered off a bit. So, after selecting the fastest five seconds of the sound file, I cleaned up the audio a little using plugins from WAVES, and then counted the total number of shots fired, and divided by five to get the average. The number that I came up with after two counts in either program (4 total) was 13.8 bps, or 69 shots total. There were moments that 16 bps was hit, but the AVERAGE was 13.8. Now, I should state that I made absolutely certain that I was including every peak that was an actual shot. Due to echo, and a cheap microphone, there are peaks in the file that were not actual shots, and thus should not be counted. I scrubbed through these peaks several times, at full and half-speed, to determine that they were not actual shots.

So, I am confident that the sound file does not represent 15 bps. If you factor in the slower beginning and end, the average falls even lower.

[warbeak2099]

I'm guessing that will average out to around 13-14bps. Someone goldwave it or something.

[yakitori]

I analyzed the sound file in both Pro Tools and Steinberg Wavelab 5.0, using an absolute grid set to 1 second increments. I selected exactly five seconds of the sound file, and I selected from the middle to ensure that I didn't count the beginning, where you were a lot slower, and the ending in which you tapered off a bit. So, after selecting the fastest five seconds of the sound file, I cleaned up the audio a little using plugins from WAVES, and then counted the total number of shots fired, and divided by five to get the average. The number that I came up with after two counts in either program (4 total) was 13.8 bps, or 69 shots total. There were moments that 16 bps was hit, but the AVERAGE was 13.8. Now, I should state that I made absolutely certain that I was including every peak that was an actual shot. Due to echo, and a cheap microphone, there are peaks in the file that were not actual shots, and thus should not be counted. I scrubbed through these peaks several times, at full and half-speed, to determine that they were not actual shots.

So, I am confident that the sound file does not represent 15 bps. If you factor in the slower beginning and end, the average falls even lower.

Graph please. I am supposed to just take your word for it? If you goldwaved it, it shouldnt take you that long to take a frame and post it as a pic.

Let me know. This was done w/ a digital camera. A sony powershot a75, and I was shooting a plastic trashcan. That was probably what caused an echo.

And, is it possible that if you too the actual peaks of shots, and didnt set the increments to 1 sec. that I couldve avg. 15. Say you took one peak at the fastest period of shooting and peaked it to another shot 5 seconds away, that would be 15. Lower your increments of time to about .25 seconds and take the frame over a 5 second period. that will give a more accurate analysis.

I personally feel you should lower your time scale less than one second. That can cause the results to be off by more than 1bps, in such a short shooting frame.

[rx2]

Eh, give me a few minutes here. I have to re-extract the sound file, load it into PT, re-analze, snapshot, load into Photoshop, crop, save, and post. By the way, I will have to post all five seconds, so it will be a large file.

[Lohman446]

Yak, going off the prelim analysis, which I am open to see more, let me tell you this... you did two things I did not think would happen

You averaged over 13 for five seconds - I expected to see analysis show 9-11 12-13 tops. that in itself is an accomplishment.

You peaked a full second at 16BPS... I know higher is possible, two shots at a total of 20BPS for instance or more, but 16 for a full second is more than I would have thought you would have managed.

Maybe you did better, but you see how fast that is (and I still cant get the video (56K at home)) and its incredibly fast to most people. 15BPS is more than anyone can beleive it is, it comes from eharing about ridiculous numbers for so long.

Edit (assuming above is correct) you didn't get 15 (all in good fun man)

[yakitori]

Eh, give me a few minutes here. I have to re-extract the sound file, load it into PT, re-analze, snapshot, load into Photoshop, crop, save, and post. By the way, I will have to post all five seconds, so it will be a large file.

I would like for someone else to analyze it too. I think I couldvle hit 15 for 5 sec. If you lower your time increments to .25 or even .1 and account for a five second period, Ill bet there is 15 shots avg in there somewhere.

I know how to read graphs, I am a science major. I think by setting it to 1 sec. that it is making it more bias toward "not acheiving it"

I know you are doing this voluntarily and I dont mean to insult in any way at all, but I just would like a more detailed analysis.

Also we are talking 1bps differnce here. And human judgement is not always that accurate, so I still think its possible that I shot 15bps over 5 sec.

If not, hey no biggie. Its still plenty fast. And its on an Ion that is capped at 17 I beleive. I have my ROF blinks set to like 25, but If I maxed it out, it might help.

Also w/ a gun that has Unlimited ROF and an angry board, Like my Viking, I think I could do it. ONly thing is, I dont have a two finger trigger. I only have a razor blade. It is a double trigger, but there is no hump in the middle.

[yakitori]

Yak, going off the prelim analysis, which I am open to see more, let me tell you this... you did two things I did not think would happen

You averaged over 13 for five seconds - I expected to see analysis show 9-11 12-13 tops. that in itself is an accomplishment.

You peaked a full second at 16BPS... I know higher is possible, two shots at a total of 20BPS for instance or more, but 16 for a full second is more than I would have thought you would have managed.

Maybe you did better, but you see how fast that is (and I still cant get the video (56K at home)) and its incredibly fast to most people. 15BPS is more than anyone can beleive it is, it comes from eharing about ridiculous numbers for so long.

Edit (assuming above is correct) you didn't get 15 (all in good fun man)

keep in mind though lohman, this is my Ion. It is capped at 17. I dont get much room to get higher than that. Ill bet that I peaked at more than that, given the unlimited rof w/ WAS which is uncapped.

That and it was a stock Ion trigger w/ a heated magnet to lighten it.

I still think that the time frame should be shortened enough to account for more than 1bps. Cause setting it to 1 sec. gives me a +- 1 ball that couldve been fired.

That and I only did that one time. If I had enough paint and a faster gun, and enough time, I would have definitely proved the three of you wrong.

[rx2]

To prove that I am not a fabricator out to ruin the bet of someone I don't know, here is a screenshot of the peak data in Pro Tools. In order to fit the whole thing on the screen, I had to zoom out, so it is a little harder to read. Other than that, it is the raw audio data from the clip, completely untouched. Please note that it does contain a few peaks that are of low energy - these are not actual shots fired, but rather background noise, so they do not count. There are only a few of these dubious peaks, though, so it isn't too hard.

This should demonstrate that I am not fabricating numbers. As I said, you did hit 16 a couple of times, but you also missed a few shots, which I am sure hurt things.

Also, setting the time grid to a lower increment changes nothing, really. I began at the beginning of a peak. No matter what I set it at, the selection would still end at the same precise point. The only thing that would change the matter is if I started the selection earlier or later. Just as a pound is a pound the world around, five seconds is five seconds, no matter how you slice it. I too, would like others to analyze it, to ensure objectivity in analysis. As someone with a degree in math and biology, I also know a thing or two about graphs and scientific process.

[Lohman446]

keep in mind though lohman, this is my Ion. It is capped at 17. I dont get much room to get higher than that. Ill bet that I peaked at more than that, given the unlimited rof w/ WAS which is uncapped.

That and it was a stock Ion trigger w/ a heated magnet to lighten it.

I still think that the time frame should be shortened enough to account for more than 1bps. Cause setting it to 1 sec. gives me a +- 1 ball that couldve been fired.

That and I only did that one time. If I had enough paint and a faster gun, and enough time, I would have definitely proved the three of you wrong.

Even if it is a +/- 1 difference, that only gets you to an average of 14.8 - we have not even discussed the difference between average and sustained. Though I am open to further analysis and the possibility of flawed at this point. I would also remind you, nicely, that you were the one who stated how "easy" it was and that everyone should be able to do it. I say this in niceness, and it does nto translate well over the internet. 15BPS is not as simple as so many belevie it to be

[yakitori]

at least everyone who watched the vid knows that I am from the south right? How do yall like my draw. .

[abunkerer]

^Right, the point is that it is nearly impossible to pull 15bps in a game setting, and those kids that say that they "shoot 15-20bps no problem" just sound silly to people who know what is realistic.

To get a gun to shoot that fast you have to probably hold the gun in a certain way and/or do some wacky trigger pull that would be ineffective/inaccurate and get you shot if you tried to use it in a game.
I did hear that Bob long was able to pull 15 but his gun was probably bouncing haha.

Your average of 13 is pretty respectable, good job yak!

[yakitori]

Even if it is a +/- 1 difference, that only gets you to an average of 14.8 - we have not even discussed the difference between average and sustained. Though I am open to further analysis and the possibility of flawed at this point. I would also remind you, nicely, that you were the one who stated how "easy" it was and that everyone should be able to do it. I say this in niceness, and it does nto translate well over the internet. 15BPS is not as simple as so many belevie it to be

I didnt say that everyone should be able to do it, I just said that they need more practice. And I will remind you again, this was an ION. If my peak was higher, and I maintained it over a certain period of time, you would be wrong. You do realize that dont you.

You just said two posts up that ppl can peak at over 20 bps for a short period of time. Wouldnt that increase my avg? yes. But, Like I said, the Ion is not capable of much more than 15, so hey.

So as this pertains to ramping, what is the difference between a 14 bps or a 15bps. My point is that it levels the playing field. Everyone else states that there is more to the game that shooting fast. So, by setting a cap at 15 it allows everyone to be capable of the same speed, yet it allows those other skills to come into play more. That is why everything requires practice.

So, my point is that I can acheive 15bps in a game for what it is needed for. Emphasis on NEEDED FOR. I also said that the longest time you need to shoot that fast is on a break out for about 5-8 seconds. The rest of the game is basically snapshooting, and running after pinning someone in their bunker. Am I wrong?

And so my question to you is, the 15bps rule allows how many balls per second MAX? 15 right. So, even ramping guns w/ their timing will be a bit under 15 will they not? For the most part they will be right around 14.8 or so. Plesae correct me if Im wrong.

Besides. Im a front guy. I am more of a in your face, bunker yo azzzz, not a back sweetspotter.

And Everyone has taken my statement out of context. I said AS LONG AS I NEED TO, and the LONGEST WOULD BE 5-8 seconds. And the REST IS SNAPSHOOTING. So, as long as I NEED IT would not be all that long right? I peaked at 16bps for OVER a whole second. Even though the trigger technique is not what I normally would do, I could sustain 15bps for as long as I needed..........WHICH IS NOT VERY LONG.

do you guys get it now.