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  • NewMagMan21

    #1

    Omen Help...

    My friend has an Omen...Its a pretty nice gun but he wants to turn down the pressure on it. I went over to his place to check it out...it took me like 20 mins to actually figure out that the velocity adjustment is also the pressure adjustment...(Im a little slow I guess)..I should have relized it once I saw that it was on the reg, but I guess I needed it spelled out for me. Anyway...I didnt know what to say, other than "Get a new sprink kit"...I think that would work but I really dont know. Are there any low pressure upgrades for omens?...thankx for the help
  • A-Tach-One
    I'm done!!!!

    • Mar 2005
    • 2204

    #2
    The Omen actually isn't that bad of a gun. But you can't beat a mag. When you adjust the pressure through the reg, you must also adjust the recock pressure which is located on the left sid of the gun. If it needs a major pressure adjustment, Unscrew the cocking rod and you will find a allen bolt. Adjust from there.

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    • tyrion2323
      Euroball=goodness
      • Dec 2002
      • 1654

      #3
      A few questions for you and your friend:

      First of all, how well versed in the Omen is he? If you need to come over and help him with it, it probably means that he hasn't read the instructions. What exactly is the problem? What makes him want to lower the pressure on it? Is he chopping balls? What psi is the gun currently running at?

      There are a lot of questions you need to answer before you can expect help, since we don't know the problem!


      My guess is that neither of you have figured out the recocking pressure adjustment. It takes a bit of time to learn, but you can get the hang of it. Because of the recock-adjustment, you should be able to tune the Omen to work at a nice low operating pressure while still having an effective CAM system.

      TO OPERATE THE CAM SYSTEM;

      Screw the recock screw gently in all the way until it stops. Don't force it. Then close the reg completely. Open up the reg until you're getting air into the gun, and unscrew the recock 1/4 of a turn. chrono the gun. Repeat once more. Then just adjust the HPR reg until it's shooting at the proper speed. Then slowly unscrew the recock until it recocks consistently.

      Chances are you don't need any low pressure upgrades.

      Let me know if you need help.

      And don't listen to people who tell you to get a mag...chances are none of them have the Omen experience that I do.

      Jacob
      My AIM Intimidator is better than your Automag. Get over it.
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      • A-Tach-One
        I'm done!!!!

        • Mar 2005
        • 2204

        #4
        Actually I do own one. It's cool but still think you can't beat a Mag! Good luck and you also can ask me any questions if you would like. Hey does you your friend have the upgraded board and cam system? Worth it!

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        • A-Tach-One
          I'm done!!!!

          • Mar 2005
          • 2204

          #5
          Don't forget there is a major air pressure adjustment behind the cocking rod. And I will state again, the Omen isn't bad as some think, that's why I own one. All I said was you can't beat a mag. Sorry if that had offended you.

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          • tyrion2323
            Euroball=goodness
            • Dec 2002
            • 1654

            #6
            Recocking pressure is adjusted from the small allen screw on the driver's side of the body. It adjusts how much air from the valve will be used to spring the bolt back, which is what causes the CAM arms to load the balls, as well as cocking the marker. Too much pressure and you'll slam the balls into the breech so hard that they'll break; too little pressure and the omen won't recock.

            The stock Omen should be quite efficient, as well as quiet with a relatively low amount of kick. The reason that many people want "Low pressure" is for reduced kick and less ball breaks; but the Omen is different from a Spyder or Pirahna - it's closed bolt and CAM fed, meaning that only one ball will be loaded at a time. The CAM arms, when tuned, make it impossible to chop a ball, since they load each ball individually. An Omen is physically incapable of chopping a ball with the bolt. Again, adjusting the recock is going to give you the perfect balance, eliminating ALL chops. Remember, barrel breaks are not due to the gun, but due to the barrel and paint.

            I suppose he could try a new spring, but honestly, there's really no need. The stock Omen is, in my opinion, almost perfect.

            Regarding the "Mags or Die" and "You can't top a Mag," attitudes....Well, it's all subjective. I would argue that not only can you top a mag, but it's done frequently. Does this stop me from liking mags? Nope; however, making statements like that open you up to some serious reality-checking from some of the guys on this board. I think you'll find that in terms of almost any aspect of the mag (quality, size, speed, technology, performance) there will be several markers which equal it, and/or beat it. That being said, I still love mags, just as I love timmies, Omens, Freestyles and many other guns!

            A-Tach-One...I don't think you offended anyone. Your opinion is always welcome...but when you make a statement, ya gotta back it up with evidence I think UltimatePaintballer's comment is infinitely more retarded and useless than yours. What's the point? What problem does it solve? Nothing. It's useless.
            My AIM Intimidator is better than your Automag. Get over it.
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            • Jackel411
              East Coast Anarchy...WHAT!
              • Jan 2003
              • 882

              #7
              Ill be the first to notice this..

              Are your trying to adjust the " Running pressure " Or the velocity....

              Running pressure wise theres not much you can do with the omen just keep in mind under all the glitz its more or less an acid tripped E-spyder. So you going to need a good wack of air to move the hammer.. also there are no spring kits from what Ive looked for spyder ones are a little to wide to work.

              Velocity wise.. best bet is in the reg. The team mate of mine that ended up with my omen that I had due to difficulties adjusting the FPS just leaves the gun chronoed at like 270 FPS with a perfect paint to barrel match and then just adjusts the barrel bore size to get faster or slower.. Yeah not the best way but it works for him..
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              • JimmyBeam
                Registered User
                • Mar 2004
                • 1105

                #8
                the 1.5 omen is actualyl really fast. still....it takes tuning to keep it shooting well.it is heavy though

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                • rkjunior303
                  I need this more than you
                  • May 2003
                  • 4029

                  #9
                  Originally posted by JimmyBeam
                  the 1.5 omen is actualyl really fast. still....it takes tuning to keep it shooting well.it is heavy though

                  What?

                  An Omen.. Heavy? C'mon now..

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                  • JimmyBeam
                    Registered User
                    • Mar 2004
                    • 1105

                    #10
                    heavier than my Ion. my good friend got one the same time i got my Ion. and yea, its quite a bit heavier

                    oh, and yea he later picked up an Ion becasue, well......ok we wont get into that

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                    • rkjunior303
                      I need this more than you
                      • May 2003
                      • 4029

                      #11
                      Originally posted by JimmyBeam
                      heavier than my Ion. my good friend got one the same time i got my Ion. and yea, its quite a bit heavier

                      oh, and yea he later picked up an Ion becasue, well......ok we wont get into that

                      My Omen was one of the best marker's I've ever owned. Shot it for over a year and a half with no problems. Evil's customer service BLOWS SP's away.

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                      • NewMagMan21

                        #12
                        Originally posted by A-Tach-One
                        Don't forget there is a major air pressure adjustment behind the cocking rod. And I will state again, the Omen isn't bad as some think, that's why I own one. All I said was you can't beat a mag. Sorry if that had offended you.
                        No, no A-Tach-one...I wasnt offended by your remark...but UltimatePaintballer's remark did open me up to the fact that many of us are a little mag pushy (really myself included)...
                        tyrion2323...I realize that all opinions...well are opinions...I love my automag and wouldnt get rid of it for the world...But the fact that many people here state that mags are the best...simply isnt true...mags are great...(the best gun I've owned) but there ARE many other types of guns that compete and blow away mags...it took me 2 yrs to get my mag how I want it ... but it could take me 2 mins to go buy a DMC/5 and I would probably end up with a better product...(its just MY opinion...)...My friend loves his omen...and with our budgets...he wont be getting any other guns for about a year or so...
                        Just my 2 cents...Mags = Good...others...can = better....

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                        • JimmyBeam
                          Registered User
                          • Mar 2004
                          • 1105

                          #13
                          Originally posted by rkjunior303
                          My Omen was one of the best marker's I've ever owned. Shot it for over a year and a half with no problems. Evil's customer service BLOWS SP's away.
                          maybe, but my SP gun blows your Evil away. and >20k others in the past 2 1/2 months months its been out would agree with me

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                          • tyrion2323
                            Euroball=goodness
                            • Dec 2002
                            • 1654

                            #14
                            Originally posted by JimmyBeam
                            maybe, but my SP gun blows your Evil away. and >20k others in the past 2 1/2 months months its been out would agree with me


                            Oh lord, get a life. The Ion is okay, but it's nothing to gush over.

                            By your logic, Tippmanns and Spyders are the best markers in the world. Do you have proof that your gun blows his away? Any evidence? Didn't think so. Evil's customer service is documented and respected as one of the best customer service teams in paintball. Smart Parts does not even come close to enjoying that reputation.
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                            • JimmyBeam
                              Registered User
                              • Mar 2004
                              • 1105

                              #15
                              Originally posted by tyrion2323


                              Oh lord, get a life. The Ion is okay, but it's nothing to gush over.

                              By your logic, Tippmanns and Spyders are the best markers in the world. Do you have proof that your gun blows his away? Any evidence? Didn't think so. Evil's customer service is documented and respected as one of the best customer service teams in paintball. Smart Parts does not even come close to enjoying that reputation.

                              proof? ive played with both. thats all i need. and dont bring spyders and tippmans into this becasue yes, years ago they were the greatest thing to paintball, besides mags of course.

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