increased range idea

[marctooshbro]

i was thinking abot baseball and why we put backspin on the ball because of the seams and it relieves the top of the ball. then i thought maby we can put seams on a paintball and the backspin could work even better with z-body or a flatline

[Glickman]

not really possible using the usual production methods

to be dried and become a "perfect" sphere, they are rolled in a tumbler while their shell is very soft. therefore impossible to keep seams on it.


and its not the shape that doesnt allow backspin to work well, its the paint inside

[Joni]

Backspin actually works pretty well. If it's worth it is another question. The paint makes the gyroscopic effect of rifling unattainable.

[phyregod]

Backspin actually works pretty well. If it's worth it is another question. The paint makes the gyroscopic effect of rifling unattainable.

So why dont we put a divider in the middle of the paintball, where the seams meet, so the ball would have two halves. Hmmmm...
But then you would need another divider, because if the divider landed paralell to the face of the bolt, it would do no good. So what we need is a paint ball with two crossed dividers..
OR...
Have you ever mixed corn starch with water? It is one of the few things on earth that is a solid and a liquid. You can break it in half, then it liquifies. You can hit it with a sledge hammer without leaving a dent, but if you set the hammer on it, it will sink. Why not add some corn starch to the paint? It would be solid when fired.
Because it would be hard as a rock when it hit your opponent. hrmm..
Hey! what if we made a barrel that curved.. then it would spin the paintball hard enough to get the paint spinning too.. that would cause a back spin that would actually increase the range of the paintball! we could call it the flatline because of its flat trajectory. Crazy stuff.

sorry, just thought I'd think out loud for a moment.

[Glickman]

honestly, the most cost efficient, available way to get better accuracy is just to have more spherical balls, but thats why there are different priced paint

[Miscue]

So why dont we put a divider in the middle of the paintball, where the seams meet, so the ball would have two halves. Hmmmm...

Last I checked, what you are describing is the typical paintball.

Well... let's assume that some scheme with a seam/spin does something beneficial or out-of-the-ordinary. How would you load the ball, correctly aligned? What happens if your marker is not straight up and down?

[phyregod]

Last I checked, what you are describing is the typical paintball.

Well... let's assume that some scheme with a seam/spin does something beneficial or out-of-the-ordinary. How would you load the ball, correctly aligned? What happens if your marker is not straight up and down?

Already answered that, then shot it down.. I was just thinking out loud.
p.s. there is no divider INSIDE of paintballs.

[Miscue]

Already answered that, then shot it down.. I was just thinking out loud.
p.s. there is no divider INSIDE of paintballs.

I didn't understand what you meant. That sort of "divider" serves no purpose that I can think of, unless you want it to mix binary agents upon impact or something.

[SlartyBartFast]

Do a search on paintball spin and read the thread on paintball spin in deep blue.

You'll get your answers there.

[Rick-USA]

Besides the answers in another section about spin the idea of the corn starch has been applied also. PMI Advantage paint has a mixture of corn starch with the gelatin to form the shell. It was patented that way several years ago. It didn't make a huge difference though as far as accuracy.

Spin is applied to balls shot from some markers already. Tippman exploited this with the flatline.

[ThePixelGuru]

I didn't understand what you meant. That sort of "divider" serves no purpose that I can think of, unless you want it to mix binary agents upon impact or something.

I think the intent of a divider would be to get the fill spinning better, rather than the "raw egg" effect where the shell spins and the fill doesn't. Of course, we all (should) know that the raw egg effect doesn't apply to paintballs because of the viscosity of the fill, and that the ball would have to be properly aligned for this to work, unless we added more dividers... But that just gets expensive and impractical, I would imagine.

Of course, a sodium half and a water half (or something similiar) could prove amusing. Explosive rounds, anyone?

Uh, don't try that last bit at home, kids.

[MAGS_R_COOL]

if the point of backspin is to gain range, you also have to take into consideration that a paintball wont break at soem distances (which is the problem w/ flatlines). Another potential problem is the manufacturing of putting a divider. I just think judging by how paint is made it would be a little bit harder.

PS: Pixel, why should we not try it..its perfectly safe. (5 months later Pixel receives lawsuit for me maiming myself.) LOL JK

[Alpha]

Its called the magnus effect. And I really don't believe it works in paintball. First of all, read Tom's tech tips about spinning paintballs.

Theres too many variables involved to prove that a flatline makes balls go farther. I've tried them out, and wasn't at all impressed. Its loud, and inaccurate. Lets speak hypotheticly that flatlines add 15 feet onto your shot. ITs not accurate, so your probably oging to miss the first few shots, and its loud as hell. You can't "snipe" with it, so why not just move up.

I feel barrel kits, good paintballs, and consistancy are the best ways to get range out of your paitnballs. Period.

Just move up. That, or lob balls. Both give you the same effect.

[phyregod]

Theres too many variables involved to prove that a flatline makes balls go farther. I've tried them out, and wasn't at all impressed. Its loud, and inaccurate. Lets speak hypotheticly that flatlines add 15 feet onto your shot. ITs not accurate, so your probably oging to miss the first few shots, and its loud as hell. You can't "snipe" with it, so why not just move up.

I have personally had experience with the flatline, firing it as well as playing against it. It gives a hell of alot more than 15 extra feet.. What I have found is that it is inaccurate, but in a larger field, you can keep people in their bunkers with cover fire. The paintballs, after moving across an entire field is moving so slow that you can actually see them coming and dodge them. A big advantage to the flatline is its somewhat flat trajectory, you can get paint in under that tree without lobbing it up into the branches. Tippys are loud anyway, you could apply the flatline technology to a mag and have a quiet flatline.. Point being, a flatline is more of a "cover" type marker to keep people from moving up, keeping backmen in their bunkers.. not a magical super accurate sniper rifle.. none of our guns are that accurate, I dont care what you shoot. Its a great idea and I love it, but I am a frontman, so I have no real use for it.

[MAGS_R_COOL]

feel barrel kits, good paintballs, and consistancy are the best ways to get range out of your paitnballs. Period

Agreed.