AO: We are back from the dead... again! After an 18 day outage, we are finally alive and well. Who knew how complicated updating software/databases from 2008 would be. I still have alot of tweaks to make, but my main goal was getting everything patched and updated to 2026.
Vbulletin 6 has changed alot since 2008 so we will have a ton of new features to dig into.
What is a Viking? Is it just another double stacked super spyder? I myself wouldn't mind having a shocker. Since the mags from time to time get mistaken for one anyway for once it would be nice to say," why yes it is a shocker".
i think the question is supposed to be "which elctro earns the owner the most respect?"
i voted the Viking.
- its rare (well more rare than timmies an shockers) so the owner has an eye for class
- it performs superbly, so the owner knows what he wants and (most probably) didn't base his purchase based on looks (unless its one of those bling'd featherlite ones)
i think the question is supposed to be "which elctro earns the owner the most respect?"
i voted the Viking.
- its rare (well more rare than timmies an shockers) so the owner has an eye for class
- it performs superbly, so the owner knows what he wants and (most probably) didn't base his purchase based on looks (unless its one of those bling'd featherlite ones)
- its a ***** to maintain (from what i've heard) so the owner must either know what he's doing or treats his markers with great care, or both.
Markers don't earn people respect. The way they play does.
Well, what about the Impulse? And yes...I am aware it's a smart parts product. But as far as respect I put it up there in the cocker category (which is good IMO) for several reasons. While angels, timmys, and shockers have been on the market for a while (especially angels), I find that for the low price you can start out at, you can take it in many directions and gradually over time. I think my inpulse is as good as they come (as far as impulses go), but if I wanted to start out cheaper and get to the same level, I could do that with an impulse and not necessarily other guns.
Every new generation of angel, timmy, shocker, etc starts out in the 1200 dollar price range. You could get a stock impulse real cheap comparatively and add to it over time. There is a wide variety of custom after market bodies, rams, valves, vision upgrades, gripframes, triggers, lprs, electronics, bolts, eye covers, etc that will allow you to go in any direction and at any level of cost that you want....just like a good autococker. You can argue that these other more "high-end guns" (in other words, expensive) already have all these upgrades. That is true, but then why is ther still a large market for after market parts for these guns? You can then argue that, well, people still want to add to/change/upgrade their markers. Okay, but then how about starting cheaper and then doing that anyway? And I don't like the idea of having to spend x amount of dollars on the next big thing just because it costs that much (yes, I know no one is making anyone buy anything).
I learned how the impulse worked pretty quickly. I like the design and ease of maintenance. I like the performance it is capable of. And I like the number of variations that you can have in body design and after market upgrades....just like a cocker.
Regardless of how you feel about smart parts in any way, I really respect the the impulse because of what it is capable and not because it has to cost alot.
I guess after seeing everything I've written the only reason I didn't vote for an electro cocker is because I do not own one and have never shot one.....hmmmmm
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Markers don't earn people respect. The way they play does.
i think respect isn't just about the way people play.
i could never respect someone who plays really well, but doesn't even know how to maintain their own marker or argues that "closed bolts are more accurate".
Originally posted by REDRT
If that is the case I'd say, "non of the above". Respect is earned not bought.
yes exactly, but you still have to buy a marker to play. My point is that the choice you make can earn you some respect.
for example:
shockers are fast and light, but buying it may mean supporting the SP nazi machine.. therefore: - respect points
angel LCDs are old, but they still shoot fine... recognizing this value for money: + respect points
Note that these examples are not my own opinions. i am just trying to use commonly found opinions of other ppl as examples
guys, i know that respect might not be the right word, but please try to figure out what i mean.
for me, its the ego. they have the best customer support ive ever seen, they stand behind their product, when an update comes out its free (besides shipping), and it is a good, quality product.
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