Gun vs. Gun: Part 2.25

[can'tthink of1]

You don't have to be mechanically inclined at all to take care of a high end marker, its just going to take some time and effort on your part to research how it works, and what steps you take to maintain and troubleshoot it. Its not hard, and paintballers are friendly most of the time and the local pro shop can help you understand and fix your marker.

DITCH THEM ALL! An autococker is pushing it, just because they are more toublesome than others. But there are tons of markers out there.

[GT]

Some people complain that automags are horrible out of the box and you have to spend $300-$800 to get them workable.

I have bought many mags at or below 100 bucks, simple classic powerfeeds that are nearly 10 years old and had no problem taking them to the field right out of the UPS box.

[cdacda13]

B2Ks are going for like 275 on ebay

[bleachit]

I dont know whether to vote for the prodigy or rebel...


I have a victor.. and I dont think the quality is in the crapper...

[minimag03]

Why do you guys hate the Rebel? It was my first gun and I was impressed by it.

[Aslan]

Depends

I dont know whether to vote for the prodigy or rebel...


I have a victor.. and I dont think the quality is in the crapper...

Have you ever used an older Classic One or TL spyder? The spyders that pre-date double triggers. You'll notice a difference. Old Spyders were indestructible...like Mags except not as good technology. The new Spyders have a great deal more plastic and are just junky...if that's a word. They still are better than the low-end products...and I've had pretty good luck dealing with Kingman customer service...and there are TONS of aftermarket parts available (my favorite part of owning a spyder)...but I'd buy an old Classic or TL Spyder over the new junk in a minute.

Like I said in a previous post, if I decide to get rid of the Spyder...it will really bum me out because I've had that gn since I started playing paintball and when it worked...it could take out Tippmann slappies left and right. BUT...the Rebel is faster, just as accurate, lighter, and just feels better. That's the real dilemma...because the Spyder is a quality marker that I love, but a part of me doesn't want to dump the Rebel just because it's made by 32 degrees...hard choice...but maybe getting easier as the Rebel is getting HAMMERED in the polls (as I sort of predicted).

[Linkwarner]

I had a spyder 2000, that was the last of the good quality kingmans, infact, it still survives today, and has never hic-uped. The rebel though, I used to own one too, I wish I never had, poor quality, but I will say, had really good grips on it. Get rid of the Rebel.

[bleachit]

havent shot a spyder that old... my first one was a Compact 2000, picked it up in fall of 2000.

[can'tthink of1]

A spyder is still a spyder, from 2000 or from today. Nothing really sets them apart from eachother aside from vert/powerfeed and elec/mech.

I'm strongly urging you to stop being so closed minded. I'm aware its ultimately your choice, I'm just trying to help you out. I'd sell them all, and you could pick up a used emag and it would be durable, fast, and just all around better than any of your blowbacks.

High end markers are easy to understand, and your pro shop can help you with your marker, or just post here and you can get help. You are really missing out if you stick to your low end markers.

If you want any help looking at new markers just IM me.

[TheTramp]

You'll have trouble selling any of those other than the Mag for more than $50. Perhaps a bit more for the E-Griped one.

It's really not worth the trouble when you're talking about that level of gun. Just save up and get what you want or upgrade your mag.

[Aslan]

Yes

I had a spyder 2000, that was the last of the good quality kingmans, infact, it still survives today, and has never hic-uped. The rebel though, I used to own one too, I wish I never had, poor quality, but I will say, had really good grips on it. Get rid of the Rebel.

The grips are very comfortable. That's one thign I like about the Rebel is it is balanced really well and feels great in your hands. The downside to my Spyder being so old is many if not all of the Dye stickies won't fit it so I'm stuck with a less comfortable grip. I wonder if I could modify the Rebel trigger frame to fit my Spyder classic body? Maybe if I wasn't sucha technotool...

[GT]

Why do you guys hate the Rebel? It was my first gun and I was impressed by it.

you were so impressed you bought a viking?

[Aslan]

Compacts

havent shot a spyder that old... my first one was a Compact 2000, picked it up in fall of 2000.

Compacts were made well but I think smaller in size or something like that. They were actually Kingman's first attempt to break into the low to mid range marker prices and was a pretty successful gun. Unfortunately, in an attempt to take more and more of the low-end market...they continued to lower quality on later markers.

In my view, they are in a bad spot because their top of the line markers aren't as good as other high-end guns, but their low-end guns get huge competition from all kinds of Spyder clones and Tippmanns. With Tippmanns being the pro shop and field gun of choice in most places, Spyders get pinched.

[Aslan]

What???

I'm strongly urging you to stop being so closed minded. I'm aware its ultimately your choice, I'm just trying to help you out. I'd sell them all, and you could pick up a used emag and it would be durable, fast, and just all around better than any of your blowbacks.

High end markers are easy to understand, and your pro shop can help you with your marker, or just post here and you can get help. You are really missing out if you stick to your low end markers.

If you want any help looking at new markers just IM me.

What do you mean by "close minded"? I'm actually in the process of doing almost exactly what you're talking about. I bought an automag classic and am selling some of my lower end guns to pay for mag upgrades...isn't that pretty much EXACTLY what you're suggesting?

Now, I can't sell all of them. When I bought the automag I had 9 guns. I've sold one...I have two more up for sale...I'll be selling another one soon...THEN...I'll probably sell either the Rebel or Spyder. That will leave me 5 guns...a high end mech (automag), an "electric" (Prodigy), a mid/low range mech (Spyder or Rebel), and two pumps. Until I get the mag working good and figured out, I can use the Prodigy as my #1 gun and the other mech as a back-up. If I go to a field that won't allow the electric trigger without making me play advanced class...and I'm with friends that don't want to play advanced...I can use the other mech. And the pumps come in handy for backyard games where we usually end up using pumps because the area is just too small for semis/electros.

I'll address the selling/$$$ thing in the next post. And yes, the people here are very helpful with questions I've had.

[Aslan]

True that

You'll have trouble selling any of those other than the Mag for more than $50. Perhaps a bit more for the E-Griped one.

It's really not worth the trouble when you're talking about that level of gun. Just save up and get what you want or upgrade your mag.

Yes, I will have trouble. I sold an Eradicator for $25 as soon as I sent out the e-mail...but then I tried to sell a Raptor and couldn't get near enough money for it to make it worth selling. I got a Pro-Lite that I'm going to try to sell for $60-$70...but I might not get that for it. If I sell the Rebel or Spyder...and all I can get is $40-$50...that won't be worth it either. That's what people don't understand when they say, "Sell them all and buy and EMag"...is that I could sell them all and barely have enough to upgrade my 68 classic...that's just the unfortunate state of the marketplace and unfortunate result of having low-end guns laying around. Hel!, I could sell all my low-end guns and barely have enough money to buy a pizza much less an E-Mag.