Predator E/X Mag Drop in board

[GT]

has to be crimped with a proprietary crimper, which will cost anywhere from $150 to $500 depending on how generous the company feels.

So.....

It sounds like you have gotten as far as I have, we just dont know. Who crimps the connectors on AGD's boards? Who crimps the connectors on KM2's boards? This is one thing I loath about AO, when you want to get something done it seems in number of cases that the simplest of tasks is nearly impossible.

[CoolHand]

So.....

It sounds like you have gotten as far as I have, we just dont know. Who crimps the connectors on AGD's boards? Who crimps the connectors on KM2's boards? This is one thing I loath about AO, when you want to get something done it seems in number of cases that the simplest of tasks is nearly impossible.

Its not impossible, it just takes time and costs money.

KM2 likely has a crimper of their own, which I would wager they paid a good deal for. I'd imagine TAG has one as well, as would AGD (or whoever did their boards). You can also buy precrimped lead wires from Mouser or DigiKey if you know the exact part number of the connector they are going in, but be prepared to pay upwards of $2 for each wire. For a 12 or 16 point harness, that could get pretty pricey.

I am fairly sure that the AGD boards use a JST connector, but I am only about 85% on that. It looks like a JST, but on the board I have, there is no part number (or really any markings at all) on the connectors.

I know for sure that KM2 uses HighRose connectors on the Morlocks, and JST's on the Pred II's.

The problem is not AO. The problem is that no one is going to hand the information to you in a neatly formatted file. You will have to go do the leg work and figure it out.

These guys that design boards don't just call up the chip manufacturer and say "Hey, I'm thinking of using this chip on my product which will be built in insanely small runs. Take an hour out of your day and find all the information that I could possibly need and send it to me. Please flag all pertinent points so I don't miss anything."

It doesn't work that way. Those guys bust their humps and find the info they need on their own. Its all out there, you just gotta look.

[GT]

The problem is that no one is going to hand the information to you in a neatly formatted file. You will have to go do the leg work and figure it out.

You are absolutely right. The problem is that I would rather spend my time doing things that have a higher pay-off in my life, and chasing down part numbers is not one of them. I did something that took even less time, sold my emag for the possibility of owning something that can easily use cheaterware. My hope with the emag lies in Jay's hand as he attempts to run through a new version of the emags software.

[CoolHand]

You are absolutely right. The problem is that I would rather spend my time doing things that have a higher pay-off in my life, and chasing down part numbers is not one of them. I did something that took even less time, sold my emag for the possibility of owning something that can easily use cheaterware. My hope with the emag lies in Jay's hand as he attempts to run through a new version of the emags software.

Oh, I agree totally. That is why I haven't done this myself, its not a wise use of limited time or resources.

I have the ability to stuff a Pred Morlock into them, so that is what I do, and even that is a PITA that I don't relish but, hey, work is work, and the install fee is almost high enough to make up for the irritation. Now, putting break beams on an EMag, that is a whole different taco, one which I will not undertake anymore. Its way too much work for the money you make out of it, and even when it is done its not a clean as I would like (I hate sending stuff out the door that I wouldn't want to keep as my own). It ends up with so many wires running around between the frame and the rail that it's kinda like a broken table lamp that's been stuck back together with crazy glue. If you look at goofy, a wire's getting cut.

I appreciate a man who knows what his time is worth, what irritates me is the 500 random kids who have migrated to AO who feel that all info should be free and provided at their whim, so that they may undertake any project without actually having to know anything at all. This is something I cannot stand. I lose more and more faith in the youth of today everytime I have a kid ask for a Pred DIY kit, and then in the very same email ask if I can teach them how to solder . . . . . . . . . over AIM.

[BigEvil]

Oh, I agree totally. That is why I haven't done this myself, its not a wise use of limited time or resources.

One of the reasons I was inquing about a 'drop-in' Predator board. (Well, as drop-in as it can be)

I appreciate a man who knows what his time is worth, what irritates me is the 500 random kids who have migrated to AO who feel that all info should be free and provided at their whim, so that they may undertake any project without actually having to know anything at all. This is something I cannot stand. I lose more and more faith in the youth of today everytime I have a kid ask for a Pred DIY kit, and then in the very same email ask if I can teach them how to solder . . . . . . . . . over AIM.

Send them this link and tell them to s.t.f.u.


...I know dealing with the pubecent public must suck. I am really surprised that Stuff like this hasn't driven the cottage industry completely away. But like you said, the bottom line is that you have to make enough money for it to be worth your while. I myself have picked your brain on a few occations. I also know that in the proccess of trying to educate myself and not make costly mistakes, that others from whom I am trying to gain knowledge from have. I try to make up for this by buying more stuff from you. Although I know it may take a few more days to get to me than if I bought somewhere else, I already have a realtionship with you, know that you have taken time out of your busy day to answer my e-mails, and i would much rather give you my money. I bought my first mag somewhere around 95' because when I started making calls to manufacturers to ask questions, AGD was the ONLY one that took a few minutes with me on the phone. WGP hung up on me. The company who made the F1 illlustrator (I forget who) kept transfering me.


Now as far as a Drop in Predator board goes..... (Back on subject)

[BigEvil]

Times are changing and why not take your favorite gun with you?

Here is what Bob from TAG has had to say:

"Find me 50 people that will preorder and I will start the run of our Emag design"

"..our target price for all of our boards is in the 160 range. 100 for the code and 60 for the delivery system."

"So...yea.....get the interest and lets find out what features and desires are needed by the owners and we can start the ball rolling. I will run 100 of these and that is it. Why a short number? I have one tech at my shop that can handle the tech support for your mags and I will not run a project that we cannot devote the same type of tech support to that we offer our other clients. I think that is the fair way to do it.

If I see the interest I will the guys throw up a preorder link and we will go from there. Once we have about 50 gone I will run the order. If we cannot meet that demand then we will just make the refunds. We have a new board house and they have delivered all of our new projects in 3 weeks on the dot. This gives us a week for programming and testing each board before it is shipped.

Do you think the user would like the ability to use break beam eyes? Should we include a port on the board for that as well? Our current design only offers reflective eye logic or EYE off mode"

I realize that folks will start beating their chest about how the mag does not need break beam eye with L10 or the stock product is best but we look at the overall needs of an individual product and its owner. When we look at a project we never take the position of "its the best product made so it does not need anything to make it better". If this was the case we would all have sore index fingers from cocking our nelspots.

Do you need all of our firing modes? Naaaa. But if you plan on playing CFOA and PSP they might help. If you play where the sky is the limit then rock and roll baby. For those that start whining about shooting anything other than true semi is destroying the sport please complain somewhere else because I stopped listening as soon as I had a chance to watch a 15bps ramping game. Times are changing and why not take your favorite gun with you? For the recond my mags work every time I take them out and that sounds like a great gun to rely on in ANY situation.....right?

So lets see if we can get some interest. If we cant.....no problem. I will still do it eventually

For those that want to start a cheerleading attack because someone else is coming out with a board or code we dont want to hear that either. Our products are designed for a specific player/owner so we are not concerned with what other people are doing. We are only concerned with how ours performs and that we can offer the support that is needed to keep our clients happy."

[CoolHand]

That's great.

I'm a TAG dealer/installer too, so the available techs to work on a possible EMag board are doubled.

I will talk to Bob and see about maybe offering an AO discount on the PreOrders. Sort of an incentive to build the initial order.

How'd that be?

[BigEvil]

That's great.

I'm a TAG dealer/installer too, so the available techs to work on a possible EMag board are doubled.

I will talk to Bob and see about maybe offering an AO discount on the PreOrders. Sort of an incentive to build the initial order.

How'd that be?

That would be so great that if i werent such a homophobe id fly out to Missouri and kiss you.

[CoolHand]

That would be so great that if i werent such a homofobe id fly out to Missouri and kiss you.

LMAO

[BigEvil]

I cant believe out of 525 views only about 40 people have voted.

[BigEvil]

List of Predator board features

Here is al list of features for the Predator Morlock: (Predator II is the same only the connectors are a little different). A drop-in board for the emags will be similar, but with perhaps a few more or less features.

Marker too slow? Tired of having reflective eyes, or no eyes at all?
Tired of that guy with the ramping marker always out shooting you?

Your troubles are over.

Enter the Predator II. The most advanced board ever to grace the frame
of a paintball marker. Able to run any single 'noid marker, the
the Pred II is as versatile as it is advanced.

Instant boot-up No delay in firing the marker once the on/off switch has been activated.
Trigger sampled asynchronously The predator does not "sample" the trigger as other boards do.
Built in accessory port This will trigger a hopper or other feeding device.
Simple trigger programming No need to remove the grips to make slight corrections in programming.
The board has a built in tournament lock to eliminate the trigger programming.
9volt battery operation Easy to find and never needs recharging.
Multiple firing modes Standard Modes:
Semi Auto
Full Auto
Auto Response

AFA Modes (board must be in semi for these to be selected):
1 = No enhancements (default)
2 = AFA 1 (AntiTriggerBounce drops slowly)
3 = AFA 2 (ATB drops rapidly and shots are added)
4 = AFA 3 (First 3 shots are semi, the 4th shot is full auto until the trigger is released.
If the trigger is released for more than 1 second the cycle starts over again.)
5 = AFA 4 (limited rate of fire tournament mode) The first 3 shots are standard semi
then on the 4th shot the gun will ramp to 15bps as long as the trigger is being held.
If the trigger is released for more than 1 second the cycle starts over again.
6 = AFA 5 (Full auto first shot then smooth ramping)
7 = AFA 6 (Full auto first shot then fast ramping)

To change a firing mode the tournament lock must be turned off on the board.
You must then enter program mode by turning the gun on while holding the trigger.
It is then necessary to pull the trigger 7 times to enter register 7 (afa) and finally
select the AFA mode you wish to use. Before the new mode can be used the gun must either
be turned off and back on or you must enter register 1 mode 1 for the board to reset itself.
We have made this slightly difficult for a reason. Unlike many other custom board
manufacturers we do not produce "cheater" boards regardless of your teams status in the industry.

Ultra fine "anti trigger bounce" settings More trigger control that any other board in the industry.
Anti Bolt Stick You control the dwell increase and the time it takes to activate.
Dual EYE capable Reflective or Break Beam. You get more options with a Predator.
Life Time Upgrades It takes only a minute for us to exchange your board with with
the newest OS. No need to purchase upgrades.


I put one of these in my Angel LED and it WILL out shoot anything on the field. That includes my cousins A4 and my friends Shocker. This board is simply amazing.

The Predator Morlock is a DIY kit. It is made for universal aplication. So basically, you have to figure it out, and at your own risk.

What I proposed to TAG, the people who make it, is a ready-to-go-drop-in board for the Emag series of paintball guns. This eliminates many of the difficulties that are inherent to wiring an emag, such as the HES, the Xmag ACE, and the fact that AGD decided to ground everything to the frame.

Plus, it will aslo support BREAK-BEAM EYES. Of course, you would have to get the machine work done for this, but if you are willing to live with the LVL10 or have an XMAG with the ACE then you wouldnt need to do anything else other than open up your grip frame and plug the board in.

I have been nothing but impressed with this product and am drooling over putting one in one of my mags. I have another Predator Morlock DIY kit on the way for my e-tac. If TAG makes a drop in board, I will be ordering one for my Xmag

[BigEvil]

Bump for today,

Lets get some interest.. Coolhand wants to offer a 10% discount fo AO memembers on al Pre-orders.!!

Lets go!!!!!

[DrHistrysMistrys]

Yes that is going to stay

[A-Tach-One]

Ya, drop in board, I have cash now! Predator board rips!

[Siress]

All of you interested do realize that posting "Count me in! WOOOO!" fifty times isn't what it's going to take. There must be 50 people, at least, paying for it in advance before it's even made. It doesn't seem fair though does it? Now look at it from TAG's point of view, 50 kids/guys say they'll take it so he dumps all that cash to get it done. Then the time for those 50 to pay up comes and they cop out. Now he's left with a HUGE waste of money and time. I'm shocked he'd do it for as few as 50 pre-orders.

I guess what I'm trying to say is either someone start a record of who will 99% for sure pay up when the time comes and as soon as you have 75 people on that list start calling them and telling them to send their money to TAG. And realize to that if to few orders show up at TAG then you will lose the cost of them having to get a money order and shipping it back to you or the pay pal fee of the transactions. They're already wasting time, no way in heck would they waste money to boot.


Another thing I see as an issue is that darn hall-effect sensor and the break beam eye milling. But all in due time.

-Siress