Creed of the Good Paintballer

[AzrealDarkmoonZ]

When one cheats/wipes against me, then I have no problem bonus balling the hell out of them, since they apparantly prefer dishonest and poor sportsmanship. Heck, I'll shoot at them until they leave the tapeline.

Have we got to the point where outlaw justice is the only way to go against cheating? What happened to informing the owner and using your dollars as a vote. I am sorry but overshooting is far far worse than wiping, especially in a recreational game. It is the fields and refs responsibility to dispense justice when it comes to cheating, not YOU.

I beleive RamboPreacher said it best when he said he plays to have fun.

Az

[gc82000]

Shoot them faster than they can wipe, eventually they will get the idea .

you cant wipe welt now can you.

[tyrion2323]

I'm not disputing that diving takes a certain level of skill, the same way paintball and basketball both take a certain level of skill. But to put divers, who jump off a platform and do a trick for 4 seconds, in the same category [athletes] of [to keep it aquatic] 2000m swimmers is a far cry. Both have their own skillset, but swimming requires more. The same way that playing ice hockey is considered a sport, as it takes a wide variety of skills and athletic traits, whereas paintball is not-- most paintballers walk thru the woods and then every few minutes shoot/duck/dive. Not athletics.

You're generalizing way too much, and it ends up looking like you're talking out of your butt. It's easy to tear apart madPSI's list, but going ahead and doing it doesn't actually mean anything...it just makes you look bad, bro.

I'm saying this as someone who respects most of your ideas and posts, AND as someone who has been around to know both your newer and older psots - give up the 'volatile misunderstood tourney player' thing, it's just as bad as the 'jaded oldschool woodsplayer' thing. Again, I'm saying this as someone with a similar mindset towards paintball.

[yakitori]

I dont agree w/ wiping. Cheating has been around as long as the game. PPL have ALWAYS wiped. Dont act like its new and not oldschool. The oldschool way of ball that we are referring to is at your semi auto statement, and your appearal, color of guns, paintball terms that ppl use.

That was the majority of your argument, yet ppl pick a wedge issue like wiping and put it under a microscope. All he said was wiping is part of the game. And it is. PPl do it. PPL always have.

I know a lot of ppl that gripe about wiping, but Ive shot them on the foot cause it was sticking out, and they pull back in and tuck their feet under their but and clean it off on the ground. Im sure the ppl that whine about it here have done the same. Dont be a hipocrit.

Get over yourselves here. Being / looking cool is in the eye of the beholder. I dont think a lot of ppl look cool or shoot a gun that matches my taste, but I dont start a thread griping about it.

[A-5 outcast]

Oh fine. No insults.

/38?!?

thanks for not insulting me i was bombarded on the TIPPMANN forum if you can believe that one , they are all immature ppl i'd like to duel. and yes 38 times . i shot them they wiped and shot me , i got angry and proceeded to light em up a5 style

[Konigballer]

you have to fogive me, I live in Georgia, but what the hell is agg? From the connotations it sounds like flashy rich kids who paintball but clear it up for me will yah.

[MadPSIence]

agg is some word made up by the HK army followers who are essentially the largest group of posers in paintball who wear certain things and try to fit in and fill an image.

it's supposed to mean "cool" or whatever..

IMO it's stupid and the whole HK thing is a disgrace to the sport. Go to PBN and just look at the HK kiddies.. (actually don't, stay here)

[peewee]

YAK gotta ask how old are you?? I'm an old-timer 37 & played "back in the day." As far as cheating goes yes there are always cheaters & there was back then, but they weren't "hero's " to be looked up to. If someone was caught cheating there was usually sever repercussion's. My team flat out kicked you off the team no matter what you skill set might be. Our Captain got caught & was gone in a flash. Just so you understand he was blackballed from all the local paintball tournament teams. My team's motto was "Honor & Integrity" & we lived & died by it. My older brother forfeited a game when he found out that he had played thru a hit on his pack. By the position of the hit the last guy (it was 1 on 1) on the opposing team couldn't have hit him. I remember standing there with pride knowing that he had done the right thing. The other team captain couldn't believe that we forfeited "I'd never do that" was his comment. Hell! Dan Bonebrake was in shock because it dropped us out of 2nd overall. We still pulled third & got the sportsmanship award. The age old question comes to mind if everyone else is jumping off a cliff do you follow??

[teufelhunden]

Since only Army made an original point, aside from the OMG TEUF YOU'RE EVIL YOU COCK SMOKER GET OUT OF PAINTBALL! I'll address his post--

In every sport, in every game, there's a fudging of the rules. Basketball, there's pushing off [been there, done that, played thru HS], football [same as basketball], everybody holds just a little, or hits outside of the 5 yard buffer, pass interference, etc. If the refs wanted to call every technicality, then the games would never end. The same with paintball. If every gun that shot 101 shots on 100 trigger pulls was called for bouncing, if every smuge of a hit, if gun was chrono'd every shot to make sure it doesn't hit 285.001-- paintball would not be fun. Paintball would be just what you said-- well, since none of us can play completely legally and inside the rules, well, then, screw that. For the high-horsers out there-- ever touch a hit to see if it broke? Can be considered wiping, and if we're playing straight technical paintball, you and a teammate are watching. That said, I'm not a fan of blatant wiping, not a fan of every move resulting in a superman dive, etc. etc. However, I've accepted it as part of the game, the same way I accepted that I was gonna get pushed off of and elbowed under the rack, the same way I knew every offensive tackle I lined up against was going to hold me. I understand that when I step on the field, the rules are going to be stretched, twisted, torn, and broken. In doing so, I adapt the same way I do in other games. Anticipate the push off, be a step ahead. Break the hold. Shoot the wiper in the face, hit him twice, hit him 10 times. Call for a paint check every single time a shot goes near him.

Actually, tyrion made a good post too, so he can get a response; I left tourney ball, wasn't into it anymore. I got tired of playing only to win, so I changed my own paintball creed and bought a phantom and some 10 rnders and played for fun. Stopped playing the "let's see who can dump more cases in a weekend" game, stopped playing the "if I wipe harder, i win" game. I'm not talking as a tourney baller [sorry, athlete ], I'm talking from my view of where paintball is today. I don't think the game is based on honesty-- if it was, we'd play airsoft because that's all you have. And it's cheaper. This game has become one of who pushes the rules the most, reffing consistency, and personal ethics. And I accept it-- I'd go so far as to say I embrace it. That's the game today, at least in the mainstream. I always have the option to play with honest people, play at my own field, yadda yadda-- but I don't, because I've accepted today's game.

Hm, someone else made a decent post.. finding: Ah, Ricker. I understand that most players on here are not the top end tourney ballers out there with the intention of winning every time. But that said, when someone generalizes what a 'good paintballer' should be, it encompasses those whom this board does not generally represent. A good paintballer, in the most basic sense, is the paintballer who wins. Chances are, that good paintballer may ramp his $1500 machine gun. He may even wear 219 layers to promote bounces, and superman when he feels a hit otb. Does this make him bad? Not in my book. It makes him doing everything he can to stay competitive. And even though this is not the image AO players want to portray, it's still who is on the fields today. Momma's boys with DM5s in C5 gear who never played before Angels and Shockers, who don't care about PSI's 'good paintballer.'

Here's my creed of the good paintballer:
-Plays in a manner appropriate to where he is
-Runs his mouth only when accepting of the consequences
-Plays his heart out every time he steps on the field
-Does not cry and moan about a missed call, call people cheaters, and does not moan about the type of paintball [not speed/woods..] being engaged in where he decided to play
-Doesn't try to force his views on others
-Accepts his decision to play on the airball field with the Dye-Babies or in the woods in camo, and accepts the quirks of each game

And you get the point.

[p u r e e v i l]

I am a"balla",
AGG is the way to be, (not really, though)
My gat's just as sick as your gun,
Louis Vuitton and Gucci were made for us to look sweet when we ball,
Hype's homosexual,
Pink is my favorite color, I'll sport it on my gear and my gat,
My marker is not agg, sick, or l337,
I think it's clean, quick and effective,
For every one time I pull my trigger 10 balls fly towards the emeny like a swarm of angry bees!
I wipe the sweat off my brow, not the paint off my shirt... until the other team cheats.
I can't pull 20bps, and neither can you,
I play for the ladies,
The shirts do say "Cheaters Live Longer"
All I've cheated on, was... nevermind.


I modified it to the standards that some of us play at these days, or see the sport as. I do not wipe, don't get that impression. It's just plain and simple, some do.

[usmc8892]

I'm sure it has been said too many times already, but i'm saying it again: If you are going to cheat, why bother to play in the first place? It's just a game! Amazingly enough, if you get eliminated, you get to play again the very next game! There's too much angst not enough fun, bring back the fun!!!

[Army]

In football, basketball, LaCross, field hockey etc. holding, pushing, tripping etc. can be an unconscious act due to the adrenaline running hard. Refs recognise most of those and do not call them.

But in paintball, a wipe begins with KNOWING that you are hit, and deliberately hiding the evidence. I'm not talking about the ones that you don't feel on your pods or gun, but chest/head/hand/leg/arm/gogg shots that get your attention with pain or a loud noise off your noggin.

Knowing you have been legally eliminated, and purposely breaking the rules in order to remain in the game to eliminate those on the other team that do NOT cheat....is wrong in so many ways.

Again, cheat against me, and suffer the consequences. You don't want to play by the rules, then don't complain to anyone when the rules are violated AGAINST you. Cheaters suck. Cheating should hurt.

[Target Practice]

Cheating should hurt.

Kinda like stupid?

[sanity]

well well teuf you've incited another riot. Remind me why I am not suprised...

My $.02:

I think that it is a difficult call to decided whether or not paintball is a sport. By definition a sport is "any game that requires physical activity and involves a degree of competition" - and this certainly includes paintball. However, i still do not personally consider pool, bowling, or even golf (which i love to play) a sport, though all of these would also fall into the aforementioned definition. To me a sport is something that requires physical feats above and beyond what an ordinary person could perform. This does not include skills, otherwise card tricks and spellin bees and artistry could be considered sports. To me a sport is a competitive environment that tests ones athleticism, and to be honest any regular joe could play woodsball or even a speedball backman. (NOTE: do not think that this discounts the skills that good backmen have, it looks simply from a physical standpoint)

As far as cheating goes - in any sport and / or competitive environment there has always been and will always be cheating. It is simply the competitive nature of man...boundaries will be pushed to win. Because of this rules change - in addition to accepted standards. The results of this are seen in paintball as clearly as anything else. Ramping is now legal in some leagues and wiping is a common practice. It is quite possible that the only way to compete in a modern tournament scene is to wipe. I think that a key point yet to be made is that you have to go to sleep with only yourself at night. If you find bending the rules to be an acceptable practice then so be it, I do not condemn you in any way. You doing what you have to in order to compete. However, if you do hold yourself to a higher standard and follow the rules with unwavering steadfastness, I salute you. Be comfortable with how you play, and dont judge others.

oh and people...there is a difference between what is said (opinions) and what is done (actions). I've played with some of the more villified posters on this thread (ok - just 1), and would do so again. 1337 |34114

peace fellas - sanity

[Jaan]

I've always looked at it as simple friendly competition between individuals ... one of many mock combat sports. It is a way to test yourself against an opponent and to be able to endulge in the thrill of victory without the disrespect of death to your enemy. If you cheat, you didn't really win. I suppose if you're shallow that is enough for you.