Creed of the Good Paintballer

[fullofpaint]

[Somebody isn't comfortable with their sexuality if they can't shoot a pink gun. I'm sure you shoot the best most upgraded tippmann on the block.
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Wait......I do shoot the most upgraded tippmann on the block......

[LudavicoSoldier]

I refuse to cheat. Plain and simple. I will not, nor have I ever cheated. If you cheat you don't deserve to walk off the field with anything but a ton of welts. I hear all these people justifying cheating, "its part of life" blah blah blah. Keep telling yourself that. Go on. its this kind of mentality that keeps cheating rampant. I hear you say "oh but the prizes, we MUST win". What a bunch of losers. Go shoot yourself out.

[yakitori]

YAK gotta ask how old are you?? I'm an old-timer 37 & played "back in the day." As far as cheating goes yes there are always cheaters & there was back then, but they weren't "hero's " to be looked up to. If someone was caught cheating there was usually sever repercussion's. My team flat out kicked you off the team no matter what you skill set might be. Our Captain got caught & was gone in a flash. Just so you understand he was blackballed from all the local paintball tournament teams. My team's motto was "Honor & Integrity" & we lived & died by it. My older brother forfeited a game when he found out that he had played thru a hit on his pack. By the position of the hit the last guy (it was 1 on 1) on the opposing team couldn't have hit him. I remember standing there with pride knowing that he had done the right thing. The other team captain couldn't believe that we forfeited "I'd never do that" was his comment. Hell! Dan Bonebrake was in shock because it dropped us out of 2nd overall. We still pulled third & got the sportsmanship award. The age old question comes to mind if everyone else is jumping off a cliff do you follow??

Thanks for your little analogy. I am old enough to have played in the 90s. What does it matter anyway, everyone here treats others like they are 12 yo and dont know anything. Its funny cause the ppl that do it are usually under 20 yo.

And Ill say it again. This site is reminding me of the Bush campaign. Pick a single wedge issue and put it under the microscope. That wasnt the main point of view of the thread. The point teuf made was that wiping is part of the game. Whether you do it or not, other ppl do and it still exists. Thatsthe poin that was made. NOw everyone turned this thread into a cheating discussion.

[peewee]

Your welcome!!! I don't think that someone chose the specific issue of cheating to focus on, but with the general attitude of the afore mentioned type of player it is common place for them to cheat & makes itself the focal point. Which is a pain in the A$$. You know the type. Sadly those who run the fringes with appearance or playing style while not being cheaters or the freaks get bunched in with them. I honestly believe that +95% of players dont cheat, but I also believe that most people with a strong moral standing about game play have the right to complain. I went to a local tournament last month & was pleasantly surprised at how many were stand up players. I had all the horror stories online so I went in expecting the worse. One team got caught cheating in all three of their first games & were asked to leave. Couple of the guys were well known locals that lost a lot of face.

[ultralight]

"Ever call your automobile a car? It's a term people use because it doesnt sound lame. "

"gat " does sound lame. i'll call mine a marker.

"If it looks good why not wear it?"

if you think that louis vuitton (sp) crap looks good then by all means please do wear it. then i can laugh at you. i swear those designers are just trying to come up with the silliest looking fabrics so that they can make a killing and then laugh at the people who bought their ugly clothes. they've probably got a wager on who can sell the ugliest pattern.

people have singled out cheating because it is the one issue mentioned in the original post that actually matters.

wether or not you have an AGG pink LV gat has no real bearing on the game. cheating does.

as far as accepting cheating goes, if a speeding car ran over you most beloved pet would you just shrug it off as part of life because the driver obviously had somewhere important to be or would you be upset.

breaking the rules/laws is still illegal no matter what the prize at the end.

i find it interesting that the people defending cheating still call it cheating. i would have thought that they would come up with some PC term to villify it even less by now. come on people, it's cheating! would you accept it if one out of every three earned eliminations was stolen from you by a cheater? i know, you'd probably say that you just have to work harder next time or shoot more next time or whatever. NO, that is a defeatist attitude. grow a pair and fight for what is right. instead of bending over and becoming part of a corrupt system why not try to change the system from the inside? i'm not talking about going into a tournament and losing your butt while trying not to cheat, i'm talking about instilling a sense of integrity in tomorrows tourny players.

i think that it is unfair to say that just because someone decides that they don't like cheating and AGG kiddies that they deserve to be labeled honorary fogies.

i feel that he was trying to kill the disease by treating the symptoms.
who ends up being the most annoying person on/off the field any given weekend? the guy in the black shirt and cargos shooting an old spyder clone or the AGG 14 year old all decked out in dye and jt gear with a $1200 super marker with grips that say "contract killer" on them?
in my experience ten times out of ten it was the latter.

and on a related note, i thought that the tournament scene was created as an outsider friendly window into the sport that had shed the "paramilitary" references. and now we have the equally if not more offensive contract killers grips and the evil pimp marker. way to go guys, johnny's mom will love that.

[Lohman446]

if you think that louis vuitton (sp) crap looks good then by all means please do wear it. then i can laugh at you. i swear those designers are just trying to come up with the silliest looking fabrics so that they can make a killing and then laugh at the people who bought their ugly clothes. they've probably got a wager on who can sell the ugliest pattern.

Quoted for truth.

[AzrealDarkmoonZ]

I have seen plenty of people wearing black sweatshirt and having a spyder in hand tout there skills above all. On the other hand I don't mind having people in jerseys and pants with the newest marker and contract killer grips, as long as they are friendly and bring an atmosphere of fun. I know somebody that was always complaining about his marker from clad in cargos and shooting a spyder, to his now tricked out Lasoya Intimidator. If a person comes up clad in a bunch of gear with a nice outfit the only general thing I assume is they have played before, and that assumption is proved/disproved on the first game.

I don't promote overshooting as an answer to wiping, its in bad form and honestly sounds hypocritical from those saying Wiping is Bad, but overshooting in response is acceptable. I have never intentionally overshot someone.

Maybe I am a new school player who does not condone cheating, and who does not condone player justice.

Az

[yakitori]

laughing at ppl for what they wear is VERY mature. Good going guys. You really make ppl that shoot mags look really cool when you laugh cause others choose a certain type of dress or appearance. There is nothing wrong w/ the LV headbands. They arent that expensive. Dye costs just as much.

Ppl at my field do the stupidest things to their masks, like put gothic stuff like spikes, rings, and horns, etc on them. I personally dont like it, but I dont laugh at them. That is how they express themself. Whats so funny about it?

honestly. Humility is immature and ppl can wear what they want and shouldnt have to live w/ some idiot chuckling about it because its not thier personal taste.

Grow up.

[yakitori]

"Ever call your automobile a car? It's a term people use because it doesnt sound lame. "

"gat " does sound lame. i'll call mine a marker.

"If it looks good why not wear it?"

if you think that louis vuitton (sp) crap looks good then by all means please do wear it. then i can laugh at you. i swear those designers are just trying to come up with the silliest looking fabrics so that they can make a killing and then laugh at the people who bought their ugly clothes. they've probably got a wager on who can sell the ugliest pattern.

people have singled out cheating because it is the one issue mentioned in the original post that actually matters.

wether or not you have an AGG pink LV gat has no real bearing on the game. cheating does.

as far as accepting cheating goes, if a speeding car ran over you most beloved pet would you just shrug it off as part of life because the driver obviously had somewhere important to be or would you be upset.

breaking the rules/laws is still illegal no matter what the prize at the end.

i find it interesting that the people defending cheating still call it cheating. i would have thought that they would come up with some PC term to villify it even less by now. come on people, it's cheating! would you accept it if one out of every three earned eliminations was stolen from you by a cheater? i know, you'd probably say that you just have to work harder next time or shoot more next time or whatever. NO, that is a defeatist attitude. grow a pair and fight for what is right. instead of bending over and becoming part of a corrupt system why not try to change the system from the inside? i'm not talking about going into a tournament and losing your butt while trying not to cheat, i'm talking about instilling a sense of integrity in tomorrows tourny players.

i think that it is unfair to say that just because someone decides that they don't like cheating and AGG kiddies that they deserve to be labeled honorary fogies.

i feel that he was trying to kill the disease by treating the symptoms.
who ends up being the most annoying person on/off the field any given weekend? the guy in the black shirt and cargos shooting an old spyder clone or the AGG 14 year old all decked out in dye and jt gear with a $1200 super marker with grips that say "contract killer" on them?
in my experience ten times out of ten it was the latter.

and on a related note, i thought that the tournament scene was created as an outsider friendly window into the sport that had shed the "paramilitary" references. and now we have the equally if not more offensive contract killers grips and the evil pimp marker. way to go guys, johnny's mom will love that.

so you stereotype ppl for having those grips or that clothes? I dont find it annoying. I find it more annoying when ppl have nothing to do but look at others and snicker, giggle, or make sarcastic comments about their appearance. Its immature.

[Lohman446]

laughing at ppl for what they wear is VERY mature. Good going guys. You really make ppl that shoot mags look really cool when you laugh cause others choose a certain type of dress or appearance.
Grow up.

I shoot an Ion and laugh at people with LV stuff (not that I have ever seen one, but its kinda a conservative area)

[yakitori]

two words, immature behavior.

[Lohman446]

two words, immature behavior.

Two word reply

Don't care

[yakitori]

two more, both show.

[Lohman446]

two more, both show.

Don't care

Still...

Wonder how long I can keep this going

:rofl:

[mercury]

I guess I am also "old school" because I play with integrity. I absolutely refuse to wipe even if the other team does. Victory is much sweeter when you know you overcome someone on the other side cheating. If they do win, I don't bonus ball them, I simply shake hands and tell them, "Good game." Maybe that's not the cool thing to do but I do it anyways. I play without cheating (knowingly) and guess what, I still have fun. I've had my fair share of wins and losses against honorable people and cheaters alike. It's a shame to see that many find it necessary to cheat so they can keep up with the rest. It is possible to beat a cheater without cheating yourself and it may just make you a little bit better. I am not blind, though, as I do see cheating running rampant throughout the sport. It's just a shame that it's getting so bad. I even see it in rec ball where there is no real "need" to wipe because you'll be playing in another 5-10 minutes anyways if you get shot out. In any case, I deal with cheaters by simply trying a little bit harder the next time. That's all I can do because cheating is just wrong, no matter how you try to justify it. There simply is no way you can convince me that cheating is right. To any that think otherwise, perhaps your parents failed at teaching you the difference between right and wrong. I am by no means perfect, but I can tell right from wrong and do my best to stay on the right path.

As far as what you wear or what you shoot, I pay no mind to it or how you talk. It's how you act and play on that field as well as how you react afterwards, win or lose. I give everyone a chance despite their "image."

Lastly, for Teufelhunden...you have that name so I assume you have some connection to the Marine Corps (correct me if I'm wrong.) I would hope that you would try to uphold the idea of integrity.