ERT Trigger idea

[dyefreak315]

alright, PE and Smartparts blow and wouldnt even hear me out. The RT trigger in my opinion is inefficient(sp) so i devised something a bit different. using the same concept as the Selenoid in a spyder or other non epneu markers you could create basically a mini selenoid, except with a longer rod. This rod would go under the trigger below the switch and everytime you hit the switch it would activate the TS (trigger Selenoid) causing it to fly backwards. granted the setup would need a spring to push the TS back, but if possible, think of it this way, an RT that consumes no air, very little battery, and is twice as fast as the Tippman RT. If put into say an impulse, the return would be so fast there would be no trigger lag.

(c) Mario Aldayuz, 2005

[RazorMonkey]

alright, PE and Smartparts blow and wouldnt even hear me out. The RT trigger in my opinion is inefficient(sp) so i devised something a bit different. using the same concept as the Selenoid in a spyder or other non epneu markers you could create basically a mini selenoid, except with a longer rod. This rod would go under the trigger below the switch and everytime you hit the switch it would activate the TS (trigger Selenoid) causing it to fly backwards. granted the setup would need a spring to push the TS back, but if possible, think of it this way, an RT that consumes no air, very little battery, and is twice as fast as the Tippman RT. If put into say an impulse, the return would be so fast there would be no trigger lag.

(c) Mario Aldayuz, 2005

PE and SmartParts wouldn't hear you out for a good reason... It's a stupid idea...

1) Why would they waste valuable R&D time and money on something that wouldn't even be tourney legal, therefore lacking marketability?
2) Coil sets consume a LOT of energy...
3) Say it, and spell it with me, dude... S-O-L-E-N-O-I-D... Solenoid...
4) Your design is very unclear... If you want to pitch an idea at a company, be professional with it.

a) Make diagrams.
b) Express your idea clearly.
c) Put everything into a professional, clear presentation. A company will sooner look at a professional presentation bound in a binder and shipped to them than listen to another random person trying to pitch another "revolutionary idea" at them. They get calls from kids like you all the time.

5) Why?
6) How the heck would your design work? It doesn't make sense... What the heck is a trigger solenoid? What does a trigger solenoid "flying back" do?

It's very easy to see why they didn't want to hear you...

I would continue telling you why it's a dumb idea, but I'll give you a chance to defend yourself before I ruthlessly tear your idea to shreds

Oh... And this probably shouldn't be in Deep Blue...

[Zeruel]

Well, I think I at least understood it. He is basically saying that you take the solenoid from a spyder, the thing in the frame that clikcs or whatever, and just put an arm from that to the trigger. When you pull the trigger, you have the solenoid push the arm forward, resetting your trigger. I think that is correct. But as the person above me said, it wouldnt really make that much sense.

[Lurker27]

If you're going to go to that much trouble to make a full auto gun, that is necessarily ALREADY electric...yea.

[Zeruel]

I dont seem to recall anything about a full auto. It is just an idea lightly based on the RT design. Yes, with a tippy's rt you can basically go full auto(just huge amounts of mech. bounce), but it is harder to do that on a rt mag.

[chettacheez]

I would hardly call the response trigger and the X-valve inefficient. They both work with excess air that is just lost through cycling.

[11_Mile_TMaster]

In all fairness, a response trigger does use a TINY bit of air. Not enough to really be noticable but it is being used.

as for the electronic response idea.... unfortunately I don't believe that it would work well, since the type of solenoid you're referring to doesn't have a terribly large amount of force behind it, at least none I have encountered.

[WickeDKlowN]

1) Why would they waste valuable R&D time and money on something that wouldn't even be tourney legal, therefore lacking marketability?
3) Say it, and spell it with me, dude... S-O-L-E-N-O-I-D... Solenoid...

Thanks for saving me from typing both of those.

[Jaan]

Thanks for saving me from typing both of those.

Ditto

It also seems like a lot of extra trouble for what ... another 1 ball per second?

[Arstron]

I was taking your design seriously and thinking about it, but I honestly don't see how it will work. If you added a arm on the back of the solenoid that went to the trigger to bounce it back, then when you pulled the trigger you would push the solenoid forwards and activate the valve before the switch could which would be a waste of electronics. I suppose you could make the arm to be like a shock on a car, so that pulling the trigger wouldn't be enough to trip the sear, but then there wouldn't be much force pushing the trigger back. I think its a good idea in thought, but when it comes down to doing it I have to agree with everyone else (just not as harshly as some of the people). I am sure it is possible, but all the engineering time that would go into it wouldn't be worth it, because the demand isn't there.

[magman007]

its a crappy idea, sorry, just get an e-mag and play in hybrid mode if you want this design. all it does is create a fa achievable effect, its tourny illegal, and not worth the time.