matrix cycling speed

[slade]

so i found a new field today, it just opened last week, and so far i love it. it has a really nice x-ball field, two decently sized woodsball fields, etc... what was i talking about now? oh yeah, matrices.

while i was at the field i started talking to some guy there who actually seemed pretty knowledgeable about paintball. that is, until he claimed he could legally shoot his matrix 35 bps, and has done so with paint. bs alarm goes off in my head. i argue with him about it. i loved the phrase he threw in "you have so much to learn about paintball". he clarifies that he was raking the trigger (well he didnt know the term raking so it took me a while to figure out what he was talking about) and was able to reach 35, which was displayed on the screen. i argue with him more, about how i dont really trust a company to correctly report something that could increase their sales, i want a sound graph. and then i tell him that with raking you essentially get 2 shots per pull (one moving your finger down, one up) so is he claming he can shoot 17.5 bps with one finger? he doesnt really answer that question and we argue a bit more.

but afterwards i started thinking, can a matrix even REACH 35 bps? i remember hearing twice that dm4s are mechanically capped at 21-22 bps, the spool valve simply cannot cycle faster. i know dm3s are of course very similar, but im not sure how different they are. what do they mechanically top out at?

[WenULiVeUdiE]

I do not believe a matrix can cycle at 35, but I have nothing to back that up with.

[personman]

Ask him what kind of hopper he uses :)

[warbeak2099]

Well, a Qloader or Halo B with Vboard could handle that. He's obviously full of it but it's good for a laugh lol. Nothing to get upset about. Tell him you admire his ability to either lie so crappily or to believe everything the lcd screen says.

[magman007]

without modification, on the stock dwell of 18, the mechanically top out at about 23 bps. with good lube, and good reg ballancing, and some bolt polishing. you can get it down to 14 for dwell and get it up to about 27.

[slade]

Ask him what kind of hopper he uses :)

he said he was using an empire reloader b (heh, another point to make, i brought up the q-loader and he claimed it was much slower than the reloader b...)

that brings up another point though, i know this has been said before, but people always bring up drop tests and hold a full hopper out and say it can feed at say 35 bps, but on a marker the ball is stopped while the marker is firing, then loads quickly, then the marker fires again. so its not continually feeding and if the hopper can empty at a rate of 35 bps, that does not mean it can feed a marker at 35 bps.

[RRfireblade]

'Mechanically' it could be the fastest cycling marker in the world...

Unfortunately the soleniod in it is rated for 22CPS and can be push just slightly beyond that.

So absolutely not possible regardless of legallity....which we all know is complete BS on anything over 17-18 at the most.

[MadPSIence]

mechanically... mags, vikes, karnivores are faster.

[magman007]

it doesnt matter though, you are so damn dense. it doesnt matter. it doesnt need to cycle past 18 max.

[RRfireblade]

mechanically... mags, vikes, karnivores are faster.

Thanks for missing the point.

And based on maximum potential.....no, no they aren't.

[Automaggot68]

Thanks for missing the point.

And based on maximum potential.....no, no they aren't.

This is why he has a hate thread and you dont Jay.

BTW I had some questions about your PRS's...

[RRfireblade]

This is why he has a hate thread and you dont Jay.

BTW I had some questions about your PRS's...

It all good. No biggie.


And no, you can't have one.





(Got another on the way too BTW , I might have a problem there too )

[Flow_Tech]

i KNOW my matrix shot atleast 25.it was done over a PACT timer with a freeflow board,anderson to be exact.

EDIT-whoever said mags,karnivores,and ______ were the fastest or whatever,definitly not true.my friends karnivore cant shoot anything over 22 without SERIOUS drop off,yet i can put my alias on uncapped ramping and just about outshoot a V35 HALO with minor drop off from a AKA 2 litre reg and AKA SCM3.

[Automaggot68]

i KNOW my matrix shot atleast 25.it was done over a PACT timer with a freeflow board,anderson to be exact.

EDIT-whoever said mags,karnivores,and ______ were the fastest or whatever,definitly not true.my friends karnivore cant shoot anything over 22 without SERIOUS drop off,yet i can put my alias on uncapped ramping and just about outshoot a V35 HALO with minor drop off from a AKA 2 litre reg and AKA SCM3.

You dont think that the drop off issues were remedied by the nice Reg, quality LPR or anything do you?

[slade]

'Mechanically' it could be the fastest cycling marker in the world...

Unfortunately the soleniod in it is rated for 22CPS and can be push just slightly beyond that.

So absolutely not possible regardless of legallity....which we all know is complete BS on anything over 17-18 at the most.

are you sure about that? i mean i know who you are and arent attempting to attack your credibility, but a lot of noids can cycle at least 50 times per second.

but then again, theres the ion which can only cycle 17...




im glad i have AO though, about a year ago i was talking with a ref at the field and asked him what dm4s are mechanically capped at... he said 100.