A good example of really bad quality aluminum.

[68magOwner]

If anyone wants to know how that happened. A strange player was running and dove akwardly. When he landed his barrel stuck in the ground and his body landed on the tank and all his momentum bent the frame. The board obviously cracked inside but i doubt any gun could not have any kind of damage after a dive like that.

i actually made a similar dive with my viking yesterday , all that happened was that i got a barrel full of dirt, ended up taking off the barrel tip, then doing a run through, shooting out 2 guys, and running out of paint when i reached the third

i barely got all the dirt cleaned out before my squad was up again for another game (X ball)

[Evil Bob]

One of the major reasons I hand new players my old school mags to play with their first time out, they can take a beating. You can barrel plant the old classic mags all day long and have zero problems with the graphite frame or the stainless body... rock solid stuff.

Not too sure about the AL parts on the ULE and the E/Xmag grip frames, not sure if the hardening that went into the AL parts can take the abuse or not, have yet to see Tom hoist his Miyata on one of them :)

-Evil Bob

[ICP]

That's 6061 aircraft aluminum for ya. You know the stuff everybody wants and is the "best" It is very soft and the absolute cheapest aluminum you can buy. They use it on aircrafts because it's light and it will flex. Great for wings of an airplane but not so great for anything that gets abused to any extent. I belive that is why AGD used 7000 series aluminum. Much better quality and actually easier to machine as well. 6061 is real "gummy" while machining and it's harder to hold tight tolerances.

But that is a very cool photo, I gotta save that one.

[MonsterMag]

Kids this is why we dont buy smart parts , very low quality.

[CrimsonTurkey]

Wow...

and this is why I only own tippys and mags. Some idiot once almost backed into me with a GMC Envoy. I dove out of the way but my A-5 ended up under a tire. I replaced some macroline and played with it 10 minutes later.

/me wanders off singing "She's a Lady"

[CoolHand]

That's 6061 aircraft aluminum for ya. You know the stuff everybody wants and is the "best" It is very soft and the absolute cheapest aluminum you can buy. They use it on aircrafts because it's light and it will flex. Great for wings of an airplane but not so great for anything that gets abused to any extent. I belive that is why AGD used 7000 series aluminum. Much better quality and actually easier to machine as well. 6061 is real "gummy" while machining and it's harder to hold tight tolerances.

But that is a very cool photo, I gotta save that one.

Bzzzzttt!!!!! (that's the buzzer that tells you that you are wrong )

Try again.

7000 series alum is not used for much of anything in paintball because it is so damned hard, AND its expensive. Sure its strong, but its so hard that it develops stress cracks much faster than 6061 or other "softer" alloys. It is also much harder to machine than 6061.

6061 is not cheapo aluminum, its the best choice for what we use it for. It is easy to machine, anodizes very well, and is very strong for its weight. It also has good fatigue resistance.

7075 does have a higher UTS than 6061, which is why AGD used it for their ULE bodies. They wanted to maintain a very thin section, so they had to use a material with a high UTS in order for it not to deform under load. THAT is why AGD used 7075, not because it is always better, but because their choice of design meant that nothing else would work.

That frame twisted because the thin section that was used to allow room for the battery was loaded beyond what it was designed to carry (either it got ran over by an automobile, or a guy fell out of a four story window and landed on it).

The metal was fine, it was the design envelope that was exceeded.

And really, why should "survive being driven over by a 1 ton pickup truck" be part of the design envelope anyway? I'm fairly sure that "stay out of every 1 ton pickup truck's way" is already part of every persons individual operational instruction set anyway.

You guys might try reading up on these materials before you comment.

[Jonno06]

i actually made a similar dive with my viking yesterday , all that happened was that i got a barrel full of dirt, ended up taking off the barrel tip, then doing a run through, shooting out 2 guys, and running out of paint when i reached the third

i barely got all the dirt cleaned out before my squad was up again for another game (X ball)

i dont think what you did was very similar at all. he was running full speed, dove. barrel went into dirt and the tank WENT INTO HIS CHEST. the speed of him running, and his weight combined made the frame bend.

(im on a team sponsored by team strange and i play with them at the local field)

[paint magnet]

And really, why should "survive being driven over by a 1 ton pickup truck" be part of the design envelope anyway? I'm fairly sure that "stay out of every 1 ton pickup truck's way" is already part of every persons individual operational instruction set anyway.

Because if it can withstand being driven over by a one-ton pickup truck, then it should hold up quite well against anything you can throw at it in the course of a paintball game. Sort of like the Amana motto, "Built better than it has to be."

Anyway, just my $.02

[MadPSIence]

so what do our local custom mag makers use? Logic? RPG? DW? Would be interesting to know

[magman007]

Because if it can withstand being driven over by a one-ton pickup truck, then it should hold up quite well against anything you can throw at it in the course of a paintball game. Sort of like the Amana motto, "Built better than it has to be."

Anyway, just my $.02

Amana's motto is for every woman, theres Amana. And amana sucks, i sell appliances, and trust me, amana has gone down the crapper, so has maytag, who owns.. AMANA! now a days.

any ways.

Being driven over by a truck is no big feat, those big soft tires, really cushion the blow quite wellm a few scratches on the anno are sure to happen, but if some one wants to pay to have my dm5 re annoed, id be willing to prove it with our f350 dualie

[Carbon]

please. all you "SP low quallity blah blah blah"

its friggin aluminum, of course it will bend.

[Blazestorm]

Yes.

Smartparts 6061 Aluminum is much lower quality than AGD's 6061 aluminum!!11 used in their intelliframes and rails.

Considering AGD makes their own aluminum and Smartparts buys it from a cheap supplier in antartica maintained by penguins.

[CoolHand]

Yes.

Smartparts 6061 Aluminum is much lower quality than AGD's 6061 aluminum!!11 used in their intelliframes and rails.

Considering AGD makes their own aluminum and Smartparts buys it from a cheap supplier in antartica maintained by penguins.

Bwahahahahah!!!

Its good to see that someone gets it.

In all seriousness though, everyone uses 6061 T-6. Even AGD. The only things they use the 7000 series stuff for is the ULE bodies and the valves (IIRC anyway). That's why they never match when you anodize them, 'cause different alloys always ano and dye differently, even when done at the exact same time, in the exact same tank.

For the guy on the other page who wanted to be able to run over the part - Either super light weight, or be able to run over it with a truck. You get to pick one. Light weight is more important to customers now than being built like a battleship. So, that's what the manufacturers put out.

[Blazestorm]

Bwahahahahah!!!

Its good to see that someone gets it.

In all seriousness though, everyone uses 6061 T-6. Even AGD. The only things they use the 7000 series stuff for is the ULE bodies and the valves (IIRC anyway). That's why they never match when you anodize them, 'cause different alloys always ano and dye differently, even when done at the exact same time, in the exact same tank.

For the guy on the other page who wanted to be able to run over the part - Either super light weight, or be able to run over it with a truck. You get to pick one. Light weight is more important to customers now than being built like a battleship. So, that's what the manufacturers put out.

I believe they also use the 7000 series for Flatlines when they did make them. Atleast the 4500's I recall.

The only poor quality thing I really see from smartparts is the Anno. Look at all of Dynasty's guns... all of them are turning silver... Look at XSV and Oakland... shooting XSV Ego's and Timmies, their annoes are doing pretty well :)

[Southparkrocks]

Your all wrong, Smart Parts uses 2011 Aluminum according to YDNA. The other thing thats worse than the annos fading is the fact that the threading on the feedneck strips so easy.

http://www.shockerowners.com/showthread.php?t=15391&highlight=shocker+aluminum