Are any Tanks Too Slow?

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  • SlartyBartFast
    The Flying Scotsman
    • Jun 2002
    • 2940

    #1

    Are any Tanks Too Slow?

    In the "my member is larger than your member" debates that permiate paintball, I wondered:

    Is there a tank/regulator that is demonstrably too slow for sustained fire at game bps speeds (for all intents and purposes 15bps)?

    Name the tank/regulator and provide the proof.
  • Thordic
    AFTICA
    • May 2001
    • 5986

    #2
    Go dig up Crossfires research, theres no need to be repetative.

    AKA's charts will show there is a big difference in the inline regs too.

    Whether or not they are "too slow" to keep up is relative. How much drop off are you willing to put up with? Do you expect your tank to keep the pressure the same with sustained 15 BPS, or do you accept that it'll drop off after a second or two, and then you need to let it catch up?

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    • SlartyBartFast
      The Flying Scotsman
      • Jun 2002
      • 2940

      #3
      Originally posted by Thordic
      Go dig up Crossfires research, theres no need to be repetative.

      AKA's charts will show there is a big difference in the inline regs too.

      Whether or not they are "too slow" to keep up is relative. How much drop off are you willing to put up with? Do you expect your tank to keep the pressure the same with sustained 15 BPS, or do you accept that it'll drop off after a second or two, and then you need to let it catch up?
      No. The research only shows graphs in milli and micro seconds. None give the relevance of the data being presented.

      The "drop-off" due to a slow tank is one based on myth and heresay. No proof has been offered.

      Sure, one tank may have been proven faster than another. But what are the real quantifiable weaknesses of the slower tank when applied to a paintball marker?

      At what BPS is there a difference and how much of a difference?

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      • Lohman446
        Useful posts: 7
        • Jun 2003
        • 9315

        #4
        Good thoughts.... look at it this way, if all markers are capped at 15BPS (I understand they are not) what good do internals do that are capable of sustaining 20+BPS if there is going to be another limiting factor.


        Maybe the "fastest" tank will support 200BPS and the "slowest" will only support 100BPS - big difference, think how different the graphs would look. Does it matter to our use?

        The question becomes, are there any tanks currently available that do not support the speed of markers today.
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        • cdacda13
          WDP: Fly or Die
          • Jan 2005
          • 841

          #5
          When I dont have a volumizer on my angel, I get terrible drop-off at 10 BPS. My tank, a ACI Bulldog, can't keep up.
          But, on my buddy's angel(same setting, no volly) He doesn't get any drop off with his crossfire tank.
          We both use the mini-reg which keeps up pretty good.
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          • SlartyBartFast
            The Flying Scotsman
            • Jun 2002
            • 2940

            #6
            Originally posted by cdacda13
            When I dont have a volumizer on my angel, I get terrible drop-off at 10 BPS. My tank, a ACI Bulldog, can't keep up.
            But, on my buddy's angel(same setting, no volly) He doesn't get any drop off with his crossfire tank.
            We both use the mini-reg which keeps up pretty good.

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            • TheTramp
              Registered User
              • Jan 2001
              • 4019

              #7
              I've never had shoot-down with any gun/tank combo that couldn't be explained by HPR, dwell, LPR, etc. Of course I don't shoot at 20+ bps.

              I don't think there is any properly functioning tank being sold that can't fully recharge 15 time per second. I'd love to see some test showing data either way though.
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              • Automaggot68

                #8
                It depends on how steep the hill is.

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                • onedude36
                  Registered User
                  • Feb 2005
                  • 943

                  #9
                  we could try this possibly by taking a viking and a dye throttle(which is said to have slow recharge) and see how fast it will go with bounce/ramp. Then try with a crossfire or dynaflow. Although zak's video shows the dynaflow going strong at 30 bps...

                  I dont think you will get drop off at 15 unless your regs are set wrong or dirty. Doesn't matter what tank at 15 I think.
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