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  • Lohman446
    Useful posts: 7
    • Jun 2003
    • 9315

    #1

    The failure of IAO

    I need to preface any remarks by this. The Owners Group Division that Kevin organized was the most fun I have ever had in a tournament. It also had a level of sportsmanship and fair play that I never honestly expected to see ever. The reffing was absolutely stellar, the tournament and the days around it will go down as some of my best memories in paintball. I told Kevin when I left this year that I would be there next year, mean that, the OG positives far outshone the negatives that the promotors of IAO seemed to put out there.

    The list:
    The vendors: Notably missing: Dye, WDP, K2, Planet Eclipse, to name a few. I don't blame them, I have heard rumors of ridiculous prices to set up, and the fact of the matter is there was not much traffic.

    The fields: Ok, one of the fields (that we played OG on) sucked. It was neither grassy nor level, in fact it seemed to be on a parking lot with 8-10 foot wide gravel strips on it, on the tape line where low movement and sliding where critical. The back corner was so far down a hill that it could not see the opposite tape line. I do not think any of the fields were uniformly (or even reasonably) grassy and level. Further, the refs had to go blow up four or five bunkers about every three games because they leaked so much.

    The paint: Now, any problems I had with Hellfire in my mag are 100% my fault, I should have known better. The Blaze was extremely bouncey - perhaps it always is, though I am told the Inferno was ok (did not use it myself). That being said I watched a pallet left outside, in the sun an entire day. The paint prices $75 for Blaze are utterly ridiculous, especially when a title sponsor is Draxxus. I'm not against a profit, but how much money are the organizers of this event making?

    The organization: Remember, that none of this applies to the OG. Kevin was very well organized, and kept things rolling at a comfortable pace. I watched the 7 man one day where they were almost an hour ahead of the printed schedule. I watched them tell one team that they had to be on field early or forfeit, that team hurried so much they went out a marker short. They played seven man on two fields, surely not a good turnout...

    The price: I said that I would play OG anywhere, despite the cost, because it was that great. I feel that the organizers took financial advantage of the players of the owners group. I'll drop the gauntlet - Kevin made the owners group, Kevin and the founding teams - I'm going where they are, be it IAO or any other venue. I'll pay the price to play with these great people, whatever it is, but I feel absolutely no loyalty to IAO. I never was given figures, I did hear some rumors, and I think that IAO charged Kevin plenty per team to allow us to play at IAO. BTW - the sponsors of the OG, I am very grateful to, but I dare say that there loyalty is to Kevin, and not IAO. My point is, the IAO promotors (I think) made good money off the OG - and they are minimal in its draw towards its players or sponsors. Thats my opinion, again I really do not know anything certain here.

    Had I been there for IAO and "normal" competition, I would be very unhappy with it. I was not, Kevin, the players, and those associated with the OG, made this one of my greatest paintball experiences ever. I give absolutely no credit for that to the IAO - in fact I think you guys detracted from it, I give it 100% to Kevin, the OG sponsors, the OG players, and the refs (the only good thing supplied by IAO - and I doubt there fully loyal to them either).
    "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. Its not" - Dr Suess
  • LudavicoSoldier
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    • Jun 2003
    • 1743

    #2
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    • Target Practice
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      • Nov 2003
      • 3180

      #3
      Just remember, the IAO has nothing to do with paintball.


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      • PsychoBaller
        Gone are my SFL days...
        • Nov 2000
        • 1952

        #4
        Other than the increase in participation and support for the Owners Group Division, I have unfortunately noticed a decline in the overall quality status of the IAO.

        I attended IAO for the 2003 and 2004 events. The 2003 was fantastic. But then in 2004, there was a significant decrease in attendance by Vendors, Players and what have you. I did not attend IAO 05' in fear it would not meet the expectations of the previous events.

        Granted I missed out on a fun time with fellow AO'ers at IAO 05', what event hanging out with fellow AO'ers isnt fun?? I'm sad I didnt go only for this reason alone. Otherwise, i have abandoned my IAO support for its cutting of corners, and getting shabby in all other aspects.

        -the "disappointed again" baller

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        • Sheazer
          Shoot it like you Stole it
          • Aug 2005
          • 86

          #5
          I think some vendors were unable to attend because it was what, a week after NPPL Denver? I'm not sure if theres any substance to that, but it's a possibility.

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          • Lohman446
            Useful posts: 7
            • Jun 2003
            • 9315

            #6
            Originally posted by Sheazer
            I think some vendors were unable to attend because it was what, a week after NPPL Denver? I'm not sure if theres any substance to that, but it's a possibility.

            Well I respect the time table and understand there may have been issues it was logistically possible. I cannot imagine three years ago any vendor ignoring IAO. It just seems its promotors have failed to draw a crowd, and draw vendors. What order did it happen in is anyones guess... but I put the full fault of IAOs failure on the promtors. Its not like building an event from the ground - they had, recently what was arguably the most well known tournament in paintball.
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            • magman007
              I <3 my Penis
              • Jun 2001
              • 7579

              #7
              for the record, dye could have attended, but chose not to, they were setting up for the psp event already, they were in the area, easily could have attended, but chose not to. I reccomend everyone head over to matrixowner.com and read Hawks review in the tournaments and fields section, and the flagpull review as well



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              • ScottQ
                Rainmaker Guru
                • Jul 2002
                • 84

                #8
                correct me if I am wrong, but wasnt the denver nppl the week before last year as well?

                NPS had a 20% sale on saturday because they couldnt sell ANYTHING.
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                • Sheazer
                  Shoot it like you Stole it
                  • Aug 2005
                  • 86

                  #9
                  NPS was a joke, you could get most vendors to come down, but not NPS.

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                  • ntn4502
                    Environmental Geologist
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 1637

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Sheazer
                    NPS was a joke, you could get most vendors to come down, but not NPS.
                    what?

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                    • Spartan X
                      EviL Ambassador
                      • Apr 2003
                      • 1296

                      #11
                      What would you guys think about Making our own event? Maybe we could start a altimate fund for a Field of our own. The woners group field. Which could be transfered for owners groups meets at the cost of shipping if the said owners group had contributed to the field.

                      Heck, maybe we will have to see how good these new cheap extreme rage bunker hold up, that may be a cool option.

                      Just a thunk....I'm sure people in the groups have paint hook ups and scuba tank and we could find the right place to set up our own field in the future....
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                      • Lohman446
                        Useful posts: 7
                        • Jun 2003
                        • 9315

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Spartan X
                        What would you guys think about Making our own event? Maybe we could start a altimate fund for a Field of our own. The woners group field. Which could be transfered for owners groups meets at the cost of shipping if the said owners group had contributed to the field.

                        Heck, maybe we will have to see how good these new cheap extreme rage bunker hold up, that may be a cool option.

                        Just a thunk....I'm sure people in the groups have paint hook ups and scuba tank and we could find the right place to set up our own field in the future....

                        I am sure many of the people on the OG have contacts that far surpass mine. If it came down to it we could "host" events at our local fields - I know that I could have an air ball field with quality refs for a day or two at a field with compressors and everything else for A LOT less than what the rumor is Deb charged Kevin.

                        I'm sure that many members of many teams have the same availability, or far better. The people of the OG tended towards older, having been involved longer, and had personalities that tell me they have many contacts.
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                        • SlartyBartFast
                          The Flying Scotsman
                          • Jun 2002
                          • 2940

                          #13
                          So, why not have the following next year:

                          IOGO - International Owners Group Open

                          with an amateur open run as a subevent.


                          Considering the IAO prices, what exactly did any of the sponsorship get the participants? Seems you all could have done without the few vendors, paid about the same, and played at any field in North America.

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                          • Lohman446
                            Useful posts: 7
                            • Jun 2003
                            • 9315

                            #14
                            Originally posted by SlartyBartFast
                            So, why not have the following next year:

                            IOGO - International Owners Group Open

                            with an amateur open run as a subevent.


                            Considering the IAO prices, what exactly did any of the sponsorship get the participants? Seems you all could have done without the few vendors, paid about the same, and played at any field in North America.
                            Thats kind of what I was thinking. I'm wherever Kevin wants it next year, but it seems to me we could have paid the same or less in entrance, less in paint, and played, as you said, anywhere in North America. Like I said, I have no complaints with how Kevin handled anything, and if he chooses for reasons I do nto know to hold it at IAO next year (if it exists) because Kevin, the players, the supporters, and the refs made it that great of an event. Take away the things that have to do with IAO and I have absolutely nothing negative to say about the event and only extreme positives. As it was the OG overcame the negatives of IAO to be a truly awesome experience.
                            "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. Its not" - Dr Suess

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                            • rkjunior303
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                              • May 2003
                              • 4029

                              #15
                              Originally posted by ScottQ
                              correct me if I am wrong, but wasnt the denver nppl the week before last year as well?

                              NPS had a 20% sale on saturday because they couldnt sell ANYTHING.
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