my video of the apex barrel and reveiw

[Lohman446]

Well that is about ignorant. But a $1200 high end gun (i.e. "equalizer") is okay? Everyone should now be limited to $500 set ups. Don't want anyone to have an advantage now. Come on guys. Lighten up and let the product speak for itself through sales, popularity, reviews and staying power.

There have been repeated reviews of it. Some of us have gone as far to say, having checked it out at IAO, it appears built very well, it functions as they say it will... in fact we have said nothing except good things about the function and build of it.

I still don't like it on field - I think it changes the game more than ramping ever could have. Not that I like ramping. But ramping made up for something some people could do (shoot fast) and some could not - though it went beyond what I think anyone could sustain. I don't know of anyone who can curve balls with control and adjustability around bunkers - not like that. Sure I have heard of "paint" tricks and even the flatline effect... but they just are not like this - not as consistent and controllable - frankly useable, as this is.

[Evil Bob]

When you put it on "flatline effect", it seems to work no better than a flatline. The flatline barrel was innacurate as hell and so is this. On the curve modes it was fine. Even on regular mode, the accuracy didn't seem that great. It didn't fix the problem of the flatline. You can see when he's shooting in "flatline effect", the balls fly all over the place. Some go upwards some go sideways, but very little went straight.

This is due to the fact that he was using "assorted brands and sizes of junk paint in the same hopper" which he stated in the video. The flatline performs well with uniform quality paint and tends to exagerate balls that are non uniform/out of round with crazy huge flight deviation. I always shot fresh marbs through mine and it was rock solid in ball placement at long range.

Maybe if we ask nicely, he'll post another vid using some quality paint from the same brand and lot.

-Evil Bob

[manike]

Yo, Evil Bob, come to Castle Conquest at EMR and I'll buy you a beer... and let you shoot mine.

[Evil Bob]

Oh yeh, better without a doubt, but I'm worried about its use in speedball. Its use in scenario, well depends on scenario format and rules. I spent awhile yesterday practicing three on two hurry-up drills yesterday.... I can tell you that this would have been handy for those to pick out one of the last two backplayers.

I respect the function of the barrel, the build, the quality. It does what it says it will. Still don't like the idea of seeing it on a speedball course.

This barrel will also help take out a runner. Typically, when you're gunning down a runner, you're shooting near perpendicular to their run path, think about what could be done with the apex as the ball is curving in at the runner, its no longer at an angle to his run but curving and coming at them head on.

Just continue using the same setting that you would to tag the side of the bunker they're at and lead them as they take off.

-Evil Bob

[Duzzy]

But ramping made up for something some people could do (shoot fast) and some could not - though it went beyond what I think anyone could sustain.

This does the exact same thing, it makes up for something some people can't do well and others can. Snap shoot.

I think a big factor in the flatlines inaccuracy lies in the fact that it travels further. Any deviation will become more pronounced the further the ball travels and so the shot pattern will always be bigger than a normal barrel.

[Evil Bob]

Ramping lets you shoot fast, and it doesnt guarantee you hit anyone. If you put 15bps on a bunker (just the bunker, while the person is in it), all thats going to happen is you'll waste paint and the bunker will be a bit slimy. Now if you know how to use this barrel, you could eliminate the person who is completely concealed. It kind of kills the whole angle-playing strategy behind speedball. When you can hang back in the back and shoot concealed players without moving, it kills the whole speedball concept.

What you're missing here is this takes time to setup, its not instant curving right on target, you need to shoot, dial it in, shoot, fine tune, etc., that takes precious time you could be doing something else more constructive like helping the rest of your team instead of focusing on one individual. By focusing on setting this thing up, you're losing sight of the big picture by not paying attention to the game unfolding around you. For this reason alone I dont see it taking off in tourny play, it takes too much time and fiddling to get on target and speedball is just that, fast and speedy, you dont always have all the time in the world to setup your perfect shot.

I see this as a neato toy that someone will try once in a tourny then give up on it as it got in the way of their playing and was chewing up entirely too much time and concentration better spent elsewhere. It's better suited for scenario and less speed intensive play where concealment is a tool.

-Evil Bob

[Evil Bob]

if things go well in the shop tomorrow,
i hope to have an apex running on my doorbuster phantom

That is one extremely cool looking Phantom Doc

-Evil Bob

[Richter]

I had a lot more accurate shots with the "flateline/magnus effect"with better paint on my angel led. The paint i was shooting in the video was $27 case zap from firstcallpaintball; old diablo from walmart, some zap tork paintballs and some white chronic from last year's shatnerball. Also my excal is very in consistant; it is sometimes +-20 with my crappy paint. (part of the large flucuation is because i always use large bore barrels so i don't hardly ever break paint) I'll try it on my angel with some good paint this weekend (maybe make a video).

I own two flatline autocockers and this barrel does a hell of alot better (my opinion) than my flatline cocker barrel.( they are not conversions but factory created flatline cockers) It is the ability to use really crappy paint and not have it break in your barrel that makes apex a winner.

As for the phantom pic; i wished they made a cocker to phantom adapter so i could use it.
My brother bought me the punisher customs "ally sweeper"; so if anyone knows where i can get a barrel adapter let me know.

Like it was said above the velocity does go down 10 to 15 fps when dialed in.

Might try it on the local xball field in a couple of weeks; see if i can shoot a back or mid field guy out around the bunker.

Since there is no shatnerball this year; i will be going to "Omaha Beach" at Husker Paintball this weekend so, if anyone is close to Omaha Nebraska and want to see the barrel in action come to the game.

[Lohman446]

What you're missing here is this takes time to setup, its not instant curving right on target, you need to shoot, dial it in, shoot, fine tune, etc., that takes precious time you could be doing something else more constructive like helping the rest of your team instead of focusing on one individual. By focusing on setting this thing up, you're losing sight of the big picture by not paying attention to the game unfolding around you. For this reason alone I dont see it taking off in tourny play, it takes too much time and fiddling to get on target and speedball is just that, fast and speedy, you dont always have all the time in the world to setup your perfect shot.

I see this as a neato toy that someone will try once in a tourny then give up on it as it got in the way of their playing and was chewing up entirely too much time and concentration better spent elsewhere. It's better suited for scenario and less speed intensive play where concealment is a tool.

-Evil Bob

I toyed with this at IAO - even having never used it it was not that hard, nor distracting, to dial it in while firing at a target.

[alouba]

By the way it is made in tawain.

just wondering what this is suppose to mean

[AGDlover]

sweet vid dude!!! Now is there like a setting for normal? lol I may pick one up to tinker with

[Evil Bob]

Yo, Evil Bob, come to Castle Conquest at EMR and I'll buy you a beer... and let you shoot mine.

My sister is flying out from california to go with us to the Pennsylvania Renaisance Faire that weekend I might be able to talk her into letting me play paintball on Sat and goto ren faire on Sun. If so, I'm definitely in for assaulting the castle.

-Evil Bob

[nak81783]

Very cool, but I'd like to keep it off of the fields I play. Call me old school, but it seems to take the skill and exercise out of the game. Rather than working with team members and running your butt off to get into position for an elimination, you'd just let the barrel do the work.

I can appreciate the idea, engineering, and technology, but I think it would take away from the aspects of paintball that I enjoy the most.

Maybe paintball should be segregated to gun type in addition to skill level. Pump, low ROF semis, high ROF semis/electros, and now trick shooting. Going to college and other expenses leaves me desperate to play, so it's already frustrating to play against those who can lay down paint all day. I don't know if I could handle getting shot from an angle that I should be covered from. If I'm exposed or get flanked/bunkered that's my fault, but a "homing" paintball...that would make me really frustrated.

-Nathan

[slateman]

Gonna bring up an old thread cus I got a question.

Whats the range that you were getting with the flatline effect? And how accurate is it? Didn't seem that accurate to me. Paint maybe?

[Recon by Fire]

I have one, it does indeed curve the balls around objects and shoot further, even more so than a flatline. It is easy to adjust. That said, I am not pleased with the accuracey. I don't care for it.


LNIB Apex FS/T looking for autococker threaded barrels/kits like pipe kits, kaners, or ultralites. Or $90 shipped.