Anyone feel the same way?

[Bulldog]

I first got into the game in the mid 80's. It was alot more fun then, and in the 90's as well. I'm getting out of it, as it just doesn't have the appeal it used to. The game in it's current form is just repetative, and no fun for me. Too many little immature kids for my taste.

[ArmySyko]

Just Getting Started

I've tossed around the idea about quitting just recently, (been playing for 13 years) I haven't played since Memorial Day weekend and the day it ended on a sour note. I don't want to sound like a grumpy old man (I'm only 31) but paintball is marketed now to kids from Jr. High to High school age, where looking cool is important, and these companies know that.

Sadly I'm just getting started and the discussion has been around the area of cheating a lot. My first marker (that I never personally fired) was an old Tippmann carbine. I figured I would have played if the military didn't deploy me as fast as they did.

I now own an A5 (sorry AO guys) plus I have a whole set of digitized desert BDU's decked out. I also have a couple of vests and stuff left over from the military days. Yup, PB may have passed me by before I even got started. I'm 30 a week from today.

[Scott Hudnall]

I've had good days and bad days this season, playing at a local field...seeing all these same issues. I started in '91. It's as fun for me today as it was back then....just not with the "wow look what I've found" new enthusiasm for the sport.....but still very fun.

I will have to say this, though, about tournament ball. Back then, figuring out a tournament field was much more difficult than it is now. Air ball is basically all the same, everywhere you go. Not to say that woods tourny fields were superior....hardly at all....but certainly were more of a challenge to figure out. Still, it's all fun.

As for the guys who are having a few bad days of paintball here and there.....try talking rationally to the field owners about the problems you see and encounter. Maybe not that very day, but follow up the days play and concerns a day or two later with a rational email or phone call. If you get no satisfaction and the problem persists, find a new place to play or organize your own private games on private land with players you can trust and enjoy playing paintball with.

[soccer4minimags]

Its so right.

I almost hate playing now. Its hit or miss, somedays its decent, somedays it just flat out sukcs and you swear you are going to sell all your crap and you wonder why do you go to the trouble anymore.

My biggest thing is young "agg" refs or wanna be "agg" refs. But hey whatever, crummy refs are something you got to accept in this sport. But what else can you expect when you pay your underage staff in paint and free play.

I wish there was more scenario play around here, I woudn't waste my time/money with the commercial fields around here. Or dedicated pump days/teams or something along those lines.

I swear if I could find enough local buyers for all my guns I would sell them and re-invest what little money I could get back into my other hobby. Forget this internet trading crap and ebay and paypal too.

[stop whining buy a mag]

Do you really know for a fact that the other players were ramping? There are some dang fast lil kiddies out there now. Either way, i never found ramping to be such a problem playing against. Most people who NEED to ramp, cant gunfight worht a hoot, so, just beat em that way. Anyway, almost all gun cheating stopped when the local field assaped PSP shooting rules, now its 15bps from everyone, be it their first time, or playing for years.

And here seems like a good timet to tackle a subject ive been wondering.- How does AO view the "agg" community/what makes AO in general look down on them? Most of what i see here is that people thing that the "agg" kids are the people who cheat and ruin the game for other players. And, really, i would beg to differ. Because, basically, i have been labeled one of the "agg" players in the local scene. Which to me means, i go out with my friends, and have a good time, we play, laugh, do whatever/dress however, but, we enjoy ourselves, play ball, and play well. It seems here that if a kid is rockin an HK jersey (no, i am not an avid HK supporter, feel it has turnet into more of a bandwagon for 12 yr olds than anything, which, i suppose makes me less-agg, but, whatever (although most of my friends/teammates do support HK)) that everyone on the field not associated with that player is going to automatically label them a cheater. And, thats just not the case.

All that "agg" and "HK army" stuff is gimmick. All it does is make little kiddies act stupider. The guys I normally hang out with when I play are about 30 years old, hard working, some former military kinda guys. No one takes the game too seriously and all of our jokes involve being UBERAGG!! and getting HK engraved on your gun. The PBN community in general is looked down upon because it's all full of morons. Don't get me wrong, they are a few smart people in there that will help you but mostly it's little kiddies trying to figure out what kind of camo JT pants Ollie Lang wore in such and such photoshoot.

I myself am getting bored of paintball. I just might quit too. I'm going to start playing regularly at different fields and see how I like it.

[dolphin1823]

[QUOTE=phantomhitman]Im so tired of reading and hearing people complain about stuff like this. Paintball has changed, no one can do anything about it. The best thing you can do for YOUR enjoyment is to get to know people you consider good players at your field, or play with people you already know. The "LIFESTYLE" people you talk about are probably losers, posers, etc. They are little brats in EVERY sport, get over it. It is like people have gone completely retarded on both sides of this arguement.

I understant that your tired of reading threads like this, we're tired of writting them, and the fact of the matter is that there are many threads, so there must be a big problem.
Paintball is a funny sport, where else can a new player spend lots of money on equipment and be able to compete with people who has years of experience. Doesn't work in skate boarding, skiing, rollerbladeing, baseball, pretty much every other sport it takes experience to compete, but not paintball.
When I started I played twice before I got my own equipment. I looked thur adds of APG and I decided to get a Brass Eagle Posion, worst decision I ever made. But I was 18, working at McDonalds and a $250 gun and was all I could afford. Now theres 13 year olds with $1200 guns Mom and Dad bought for them because they need those guns to be good.
(yes I know there are some young players with spyders and Tippmanns too) What's the time frame now for a new player before they go from rec ball to tourny ball, 3 months? 6 months? I figured it took years before I thought I'd be good enough to play on a team, and about my 3rd year I was asked by 3 differnet teams to play for them. But back then it was woods tourny ball, which is alot harder and takes alot more skills to play than Air Tourny ball.
I just hate the attitude that because I shoot a mech mag that I must suck, because agg players who won't leave their postage stamp size air ball field because they can't play someplace where they can't be coached from the side line and hide behind their big balloon bunkers while shooting 15 bps at a bunker hoping someone stickes their head out people say so.... I just want to have FUN when I play rec ball, is that to much to ask?

[slade]

I understant that your tired of reading threads like this, we're tired of writting them, and the fact of the matter is that there are many threads, so there must be a big problem.
Paintball is a funny sport, where else can a new player spend lots of money on equipment and be able to compete with people who has years of experience. Doesn't work in skate boarding, skiing, rollerbladeing, baseball, pretty much every other sport it takes experience to compete, but not paintball.
When I started I played twice before I got my own equipment. I looked thur adds of APG and I decided to get a Brass Eagle Posion, worst decision I ever made. But I was 18, working at McDonalds and a $250 gun and was all I could afford. Now theres 13 year olds with $1200 guns Mom and Dad bought for them because they need those guns to be good.
(yes I know there are some young players with spyders and Tippmanns too) What's the time frame now for a new player before they go from rec ball to tourny ball, 3 months? 6 months? I figured it took years before I thought I'd be good enough to play on a team, and about my 3rd year I was asked by 3 differnet teams to play for them. But back then it was woods tourny ball, which is alot harder and takes alot more skills to play than Air Tourny ball.
I just hate the attitude that because I shoot a mech mag that I must suck, because agg players who won't leave their postage stamp size air ball field because they can't play someplace where they can't be coached from the side line and hide behind their big balloon bunkers while shooting 15 bps at a bunker hoping someone stickes their head out people say so.... I just want to have FUN when I play rec ball, is that to much to ask?

how about you just go play woodsball and stop talking down to speedball players since you obviously know nothing about them?

[ZEROte]

your mommy and daddy can buy you a 1200$ setup, they can pay your entrance fee, and they can pay for your paint, but it most certainly does not mean you can compete. this is what you guys are missing. there is a difference between playing on a team and playing on a team that wins. when i played on blackcell we used all mags and we did fair for ourselves. now that im on writhen we do very well and its not cause we all have 1000$ setups, its because we study our team when we practice and learn from our mistakes. heck i use an angel lcd with a revvy. A REVVY!!!! HOW MANY OF YOU LITTLE KIDS KNOW WHAT THAT IS? im going to be going back to using a mech cocker. and ill play against high level teams that play psp and xball and nppl and do well against them.

dolphin you say leave the postage stamp sized field, i say leave the field that takes ten minutes for both teams to make it to the middle. theres different styles of play dont bash mine i wont bash yours.

if you have a problem with someone ramping then you have issues. there are guns that shoot faster than psp mode without ramp. ebladed cockers are capable of hitting 19 without ramp. yet youve probably never complained about one of them.

if your playing for fun then why let something so silly as a few extra balls coming at you. i mean if your having trouble looking out of your bunker because someone is ramping lots of shots at you then take a second, step away from your bunker, and look at where the paint is flying past. if you see no paint and just hear a lot of noise that means that they are hitting your bunker and cannot hit you.

[dolphin1823]

Hey guys I do play woodsball/rec ball and senario games only. I've been asked to play on teams, I don't want to play like that. I don't have problems with tourny players, I realize there are two different styles of play, I get it. Tourny plays are playing for prizes, weather it be trophy's, equipment, or $$$, so they need the best stuff to play. Awsome, go to it, let the best team win.
I don't care for the Tourny attitude in rec ball. Thats all I'm saying.
I'm just grouchy today, not enough sleep, didn't mean to ruffle feathers.

[slade]

Hey guys I do play woodsball/rec ball and senario games only. I've been asked to play on teams, I don't want to play like that. I don't have problems with tourny players, I realize there are two different styles of play, I get it. Tourny plays are playing for prizes, weather it be trophy's, equipment, or $$$, so they need the best stuff to play. Awsome, go to it, let the best team win.
I don't care for the Tourny attitude in rec ball. Thats all I'm saying.
I'm just grouchy today, not enough sleep, didn't mean to ruffle feathers.

your post made it sound like you were saying all woodsballers are skilled and experienced players while all speedballers are 13 year old kids with $1500 markers their parents bought them, and depend purely on their markers. speedballers are very skilled, they dont need "coaching from the sidelines" (that would be professional xball only, and im still sure they dont NEED it) and they do not depend on their markers. at my local field (xball, but played like speedball) ive seen plenty of young players with high end guns, but most of them can use them. i was talking with a kid whos parents bought him (well i assume he didnt pay himself, he was like 12) a brand new xsv ego for $1500. but he could play fairly well. i also have met a few times a kid with a 2k2 timmy, but he had had it for over two years and could play very well. there are also many players that do well with lower end guns, like the kid i just saw recently with a mech cocker and gravity feed, or a friend i met who played stock class with a phantom. both of them could compete despite the fact that most everyone else was using high end electros.

the guy i know at the local shop, and one of the refs at my field play occasionally. they tear up the field when they do, and its not because they have high end markers, because their competition does to. its because they are very skilled players.

there have been very few people that i have met, even young kids, with high end markers that cant play. a friend of mine has a dm4 his parents bought him, but hes not a bad player at all. personally when i started playing, i rented for a while, used a piranha for over a year before getting my mag, then had that about a year before i bought my freestyle. oh, and ive been asked to join 3 teams so far. when i was first asked (almost a year ago) i didnt even think i was good enough, but i ended up joining anyway.

oh, and i play tourneys for fun. of course itd be nice to get in first or win prizes, but thats not why i play.

i have yet to see much of this tourney attitude that everyone speaks of. at the last tourney i was at, besides seeing one team blatantly cheating, everyone was very friendly and civil. because most of the refs on most fields were horrible, my teammate called to ME for a paintcheck, and i called him out. teams were nice to each other and said hi to each other, and a team we knew lent us a tent for the day. the last scenario i was at, i heard (but didnt personally see) that a player punched out a ref. and he got away with it. you know how? he ran off through the woods before anyone could get there.

[ojhspyro89]

I play paintball. Im a highschooler, but i dont want to dress up. For one, its inpractical. I have more uses for my money than some hyped up clothing. 60 dollars for some pants is WAY outa my price range.

Also, when i play, i just play. I made a team with a bunch of kids who are like that but they have the jerseys and that good stuffs.


I have a friend who has some high end guns who isnt that good. He likes playing with them off the field more than playing with them on the field.

[Recon by Fire]

Slade, don't get worked up man. The AGG 'tude that is highlighted in the tourney or wannabe tourney crowd is not meant to cover everyone. We know there are stand up ballers in that crowd too, it is just the bad eggs that get all the coverage. The bad eggs get less coverage in woodsball but they are still there too.

[ZEROte]

ive honestly seen more bad things happen in the woods because a pretty large number of woodsball players consider themselves to be big tough guys when they are really jerks

[*ArKfEaR*]

everyone in paintball now adayz are whiny emo kids.

[xsiegex]

everyone in paintball now adayz are whiny emo kids.

I haven't seen any Emo kids but I wouldn't doubt it. I live in Socal so I see nothing but cholos and gangsters . Don't see whiny little kids but more like crazy thugs.