What happened to FreeFlow!?

[ottomobile]

I went to go buy a Lotus kit from FreeFlow and their site said they are belly-up! This sucks, all the best in paintball are drying up. KAPP, TomK, the old AKA and now FreeFlow. Even Shocktech is going straight Bob Long or SP. This is Lame...

[Muzikman]

Well, welcome to big business. Just wait until you can buy Brass Eagle, Dye and Smart Parts gear and NOTHING ELSE.

[ottomobile]

Guess I'd better hang on to my RT MAG and my slide trigger A/C...

[dahoeb]

yeup, paintball is starting to grow a very vicious business side.

so i'm not trading in my "precious" (my mag) for anything. maybe in like 30 years, when i'm old and my mag is a collectable, i'll trade it in for something toward the figure of $450,239 and 44cents. thats right. you heard me.

[master_alexander]

Well, welcome to big business. Just wait until you can buy Brass Eagle, Dye and Smart Parts gear and NOTHING ELSE.

what about kingman? or are they already owned by somebody...

get what you want while you can.

[68magOwner]

STD is my favorite company as of late, since, it is preety much the good parts of old AKA.

[Muzikman]

what about kingman? or are they already owned by somebody...

get what you want while you can.

I don't see kingman lasting until the end. I see the BE, WDP, JT, Viewloader monster taking over the Spyder market.

I think maybe National Might make it through all this too.

[ottomobile]

Kingman went bad years ago. Its been about a decade since any of their markers were made in america.
WORR's gone to the dark side. Wait, weren't they always the dark side for mag-men? 10 years from now the only old school mechanical maker will be Palmer!


I still think all AGD needs to do is slap a fancy new body and a hyperframe on the mag and everyone will think its a high end ION and go buy one!


Am I the only one who thinks the the ION and Shocker and Mag rip-offs? The only difference is that SP uses a super expensive pneumatic system to return the bolt and AGD went with an uber reliable super simple spring. I think AGD should be the ones suing SP for patent infringment. After all, if SP can sue for 'inventing' electros, AGD can sue for inventing blow-forward markers.

[Muzikman]

Seeing as the operation of an Ion and Shocker are totally different than a mag, I don't see them as a "Mag Rip-off".

[MadPSIence]

yeup, paintball is starting to grow a very vicious business side.

so i'm not trading in my "precious" (my mag) for anything. maybe in like 30 years, when i'm old and my mag is a collectable, i'll trade it in for something toward the figure of $450,239 and 44cents. thats right. you heard me.

Starting to?

SP has already teabagged AKA and AGD so hard that AKA is crippled and people are leaving to STD. AGD has to sit and watch waiting for legal issues to clear up... Bud Orr sold out and imho the day of highend cockers is now gone..

Powerlyte ditched the Isis to someone else. Why? They won't say it but the Isis was too similar to the ion according to SP and they made the same "suggestion" as they made to AGD.

[Target Practice]

Seeing as the operation of an Ion and Shocker are totally different than a mag, I don't see them as a "Mag Rip-off".

But that doesn't MATTER, remeber?

[Duzzy]

SP has already teabagged AKA and AGD so hard that AKA is crippled and people are leaving to STD. AGD has to sit and watch waiting for legal issues to clear up... Bud Orr sold out and imho the day of highend cockers is now gone..

I don't think people are leaving AKA because of SP. From my understanding it had to do with management issues. Besides, AKA is working on a new gun so leaving for that reason wouldn't make any sense.
(Before anyone decides to ask, I don't know, and the people who do aren't telling.)

And would you really consider WGP to be the makers of "high end" autocockers? I mean compared to BBT and Belsales (sp?)? Even early Shocktech or AKA?

[phantomhitman]

I still think all AGD needs to do is slap a fancy new body and a hyperframe on the mag and everyone will think its a high end ION and go buy one!

not going to happen. AGD does make hig quailty guns, I will give them that. But they would never be able to put together a gun near the ions market. There are too many high quailty parts, and the hyperframe is dead. People will just ignore agd anyways, they have been out of the "scene" for too long. Scenario is where agd is at.

[ottomobile]

Yeah, the tourney market has gone all bling. It doesn't matter if AGD shoots faster or more acurate than a Timmy or Ego, unless its got batteries and fancy milling it won't sell... Plus too many people bought into the low pressure bull...

[phantomhitman]

No, agd just didnt cater to the tourney crowd. They stayed true to their "owners". That is a great thing, but that doesnt sell guns. Now the big companies have bigger advertising budgets, r&d budgets, and can risk more. Simple put, people like the zero kick, huge aftermarket parts, new gun status, etc of the newer guns.