Why AGD?

[Lohman446]

I understand brand loyalty, and I understand caring for those who have brought the sport to where it is...

That being said I hear clamoring for a new mag - a new "super" marker (I think its just talk, but hey).

Why AGD? Would everything that people have against electros and have stated before suddenly evaporate if AGD made a ramping, eyed, electro to compete.

Does it matter if its AGD, Dye, NPS, Palmers, etc who make them (and yes I left SP out for a reason)? Why does it matter?

[Resurection]

I think I understand your question - Would my view/opinion of AGD change if they went the way of popular desires and produced a ramping, electro?

Not at all. As a matter of fact, I would probably try it. Simply because I know AGD=quality regardless of what they are making. That is NOT something I can say for other companies.

Would I view AGD as 'selling out' or going the way of the jay bird? Heck no... business is business and that is something I do know. (Of course I also think Wal-Mart moving into smaller towns is a GOOD thing for small/local businesses if they attack the situation correctly and become specialized shops and not try to compete directly.) <-- A little off topic, but not if you really understand what I am saying.

[Muzikman]

For me it's beacuse the first semi I bought was a Mag back in 1992. I own a lot of other guns, but for some reason I still love the classic mag. That and the people at AGD are great people. I can't say there is one person over the years that has worked for AGD that was not 100% about customer service (atleast the ones I have met).

Also, I have always liked the small company that can make it big without ripping people off. I think AGD was one of the few companies in Paintball that can claim this.

[phantomhitman]

For me it's beacuse the first semi I bought was a Mag back in 1992. I own a lot of other guns, but for some reason I still love the classic mag. That and the people at AGD are great people. I can't say there is one person over the years that has worked for AGD that was not 100% about customer service (atleast the ones I have met).

Also, I have always liked the small company that can make it big without ripping people off. I think AGD was one of the few companies in Paintball that can claim this.

The truth. But you know the saying, "good guys finish last". AGD has been so good, and so nice, that they didnt dip their hands into the gold pot that is the current state of paintballing (or tried to but failed). I think a new marker would help out, nothing has been made since the e/xmag. When did they first start shipping these anyways?

[BigEvil]

Why? For me, back in 1994(?) when I was researching my first 'high-end' semi to upgrade from my VM-68 I made phone calles to several of the manufacturers of the time. WGP, AGD, WHomever it was that made the F-1 Illustrator, and Air-Power (Makers of the Vector)

I was either hung up on or put through phone-transfer-hell by all of them except AGD. I spoke to someone on the phone for almost an hour. Im not sure who that person was, but he was very helpful and interested in making sure I was well educated about their product.

I was very impressed, and moreso after shooting my first mag. I bought a newly released lvl7 mag and a bunch of other stuff (From Smart Parts, how ironic) and havent looked back.

AGD's interest didnt end after that one phone call. I had also made a few other tech related calls over time and I found that the people at AGD were always far more helpful than any other company I had dealt with. One time, one of the techs had even called me back a few times to make sure that a problem was corrected. (bolt stick - power tube springs. remember them?)

There were even a few occations where they shipped me parts for free, and via 2 day air.

How can you not love a company like that?

To make it even better, the quality of their products has always been top-notch. Spending my fair share of time around tools and machinery, it was evident to see that AGD products were so well "Engineered"

Having owned or played with most of the markers of the time, the Mag stood out way above the rest.

[Beemer]

Here ya go

To me its not why, its only.

Should I up this thread? Only with an AGD Mag

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=141431&page=1&pp=40&highlight=AGD

Also see this one.

Airgun Designs, Inc. has been a long-time supporter of the IPPA and applauds their efforts to establish SAFETY standards for our industry. We feel that we are acting responsibly in not selling nitrogen systems until the SAFETY questions have been answered. At the time of this writing, there are less than twelve nitrogen systems in existence. One of our systems has recently been tested by AUTHORIZED TESTING INC. a DOT proved testing facility and consultant to the IPPA on SAFETY issues. Page seven of the report states "BASED UPON THE TEST DATA OBTAINED AND DOCUMENTED HEREIN, THE AIRGUN SYSTEM SUBMITTED FOR EVALUATION APPEARS TO BE WELL ENGINEERED AND HAS INHERENT PRESSURE CAPABILITIES WELL IN EXCESS OF THOSE ASSOCIATED WITH NORMAL USE." Complete copies of this report are available from Airgun Designs at no charge.

From here.

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=161699&highlight=tanks

Show me any other company that has done this and will give me a copy.

ASTM
6.5.2 All paintball markers intended to be used with refillable
cylinders shall be able to withstand input pressure of three
thousand pounds per square inch 207 bar (3000 psi) without
catastrophic failure. Leaking in a manner which would not
cause injury to the operator shall not constitute failure.

Just test it and tell me if it passes.

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[Lohman446]

ASTM
6.5.2 All paintball markers intended to be used with refillable
cylinders shall be able to withstand input pressure of three
thousand pounds per square inch 207 bar (3000 psi) without
catastrophic failure. Leaking in a manner which would not
cause injury to the operator shall not constitute failure.

I think many markers today would pass this test with the bolded part being part of the standard to not constitute failure. - though very few would come out useable whereas the mag would.

I know for instance the Matrix overpressurized blows the top hat o-ring and leaks heavily down the barrel...

I would ASSUME the Ion blows an internal line first...

[Beemer]

I think many markers today would pass this test with the bolded part being part of the standard to not constitute failure. - though very few would come out useable whereas the mag would.

I know for instance the Matrix overpressurized blows the top hat o-ring and leaks heavily down the barrel...

I would ASSUME the Ion blows an internal line first...

Ya we can only think since no one else seems to be doing any tests or showing any data of any kind. Ha Ha you said assume

[Lohman446]

Ya we can only think since no one else seems to be doing any tests or showing any data of any kind. Ha Ha you said assume

I have actually overpressurized the Matrix - (unscientifically and by mistake) - it made a really loud bang noise and I had a mass amount of air down the barrel, it blew the top hat o-ring out of place and the back bolt o-ring. I would ASSUME (want me to call it something else - ok THEORIZE) the same would happen at full reg failures .

Edit: that being said, I understand what you are saying. The mag valve is much more likely to survive a full reg failure in useable condition than are most other markers... what about a 4500PSI failure though?

[CKY_Alliance]

Why AGD? hmmm not really sure i got tired of using crap guns and something drew me to the automag and i bought one...i recently bought a cyborg which im sure ill use a lot more then the mag ...the mag is now a back up...the only reasons i bought a borg is becasue the mag didnt meet my upcoming needs...thats tournament ball..if agd where to come out with a gun to meet my needs then hell yea id buy it they make quality stuff...well of course i would prolly have to get it used casue price but yea id buy it.

Good topic,best ive seen in months.

[MadPSIence]

I'm slowly losing care if AGD does make a "super gun" or not. It's probably because I wanted the OLD AGD to make it.. the new AGD doesn't really reflect what it was.. an AGD that was involved in the community for one...

The only person at AGD that even talks to us is Marcia (god bless). Frankly I think if Dave or someone would just come here and say hi or talk to us.. talk bout what's up or even say ANYTHING.. it would restore some of the faith I.. and other people are likely losing in AGD.

[Lohman446]

I'm slowly losing care if AGD does make a "super gun" or not. It's probably because I wanted the OLD AGD to make it.. the new AGD doesn't really reflect what it was.. an AGD that was involved in the community for one...

The only person at AGD that even talks to us is Marcia (god bless). Frankly I think if Dave or someone would just come here and say hi or talk to us.. talk bout what's up or even say ANYTHING.. it would restore some of the faith I.. and other people are likely losing in AGD.

One of the things that I was waiting for was the "well look what TK did for paintball". Now I am not familiar with the patents TK kept or what all Dave etc. kept. But, unless TK is involved - frankly AGD has gotten to be the same as other companies.

[hitech]

Trust.

[Beemer]

The mag valve is much more likely to survive a full reg failure in useable condition than are most other markers... what about a 4500PSI failure though?

Ya ask all the other companies this to


"BASED UPON THE TEST DATA OBTAINED AND DOCUMENTED HEREIN, THE AIRGUN SYSTEM SUBMITTED FOR EVALUATION APPEARS TO BE WELL ENGINEERED AND HAS INHERENT PRESSURE CAPABILITIES WELL IN EXCESS OF THOSE ASSOCIATED WITH NORMAL USE."

Well I think they hit the mag valve with over 5000psi in testing so I would assume it Could be rated at 4500 no problem.

[Lohman446]

Ya ask all the other companies this to


"BASED UPON THE TEST DATA OBTAINED AND DOCUMENTED HEREIN, THE AIRGUN SYSTEM SUBMITTED FOR EVALUATION APPEARS TO BE WELL ENGINEERED AND HAS INHERENT PRESSURE CAPABILITIES WELL IN EXCESS OF THOSE ASSOCIATED WITH NORMAL USE."

Well I think they hit the mag valve with over 5000psi in testing so I would assume it Could be rated at 4500 no problem.

I thought the valve withstood it but they were cracking rails - but that is just rumor too...