Like the title says I have some questions on trigger work. I am currently working on an old minimag and an old rt and I remember guys that had mags back in the day that had awesome, crisp, light, and short trigger pulls with stock and aftermarket frames. I was just wondering how actual trigger work and tuning was actually achieved. I don't want a ult either. I just remember guys mags that I shot a while back that you could totally wail on, and my mag at the time just felt normal, and I always wondered how there triggers got like that. Thanks in advance for help.
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Well there was a couple ways that people set thier triggers up, one was the actualy trigger to frame fit. They would add shims, or create a thicker trigger to take out the side to side slop, in turn making the trigger feel more crisp. Some would play with the trigger rod(not recommended), the on/off(not ULT) and change the powertube spacers, all of which would lighten the triggers feel. -
Thanks to Ravi Chopra and his old website of trigger mods, AGD techs had plenty of repair work throughout the 90's.
As enticing as it may seem, and as harmless as it may look, trigger mods on 'Mags will simply lead to prematurely worn and broken parts.
Don't bother. The very short time you will have a sweet trigger, is NOT made up by the expense of buying replacement parts.
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Ah....I wonder what Ravi is doing nowdays?
He must be a doctor or lawyer by now.Comment
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yeah, they wernt bullet proof. But all you old timers must have tryed someones mag with a benchy frame, safty trigger stop mod, trigger rod "adjusted", and a part or two reground and polished! now i definatly would never put my mag back to that condition, as it chopped paint, had shoot down, and was a general un-reliable mess; but hell custom cockers back then were the same! And it was fun to try and get your gun up to 9 or 10 BpS man a 10 BpS marker shot ropes i tell ya! Of course back then no one was really "counting" BpS (they arnt really today either, but thats another story!)
sigh, i miss the old days..... you know what was also nice about those times? paintball was fun! and a community....now were a just a XtR3aM freakshow.Tom was the last of a now extinct breed, a breed of players who build a community, a breed of owners who gave to the sport never taking more than what they deserved. I hope to see you at the feild again some day....Comment
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Thank you guys for the responses. Part of the reason I am researching this is because my one friend recently inherited a whole bunch of property and a group of us who used to all play together regularly, are all sick of how things are going these days and were all putting are timmies,angels, matrices etc. aside to play how we used to. We built a small little field on my friends property and we are all currently working on building awesome mags and cockers(all mech) at the moment. It is great, its just like when I started playing we are all discussing the pros and cons of different upgrades and actually having fun when we play. I remember most of the guys with sweet triggers had their share of problems, but there were a few that had sweet triggers and reliable mags. I was thinking of just lightly polishing the sears and bolt egdes and maybe some trigger stops. I've messed with the trigger rods on mags a few times and it always led to problems it seemed. I like the electros of today and it is pretty cool to have the insane rofs and all, but we just don't have fun like we used to. Whenever we used to play, we would all talk about the day for days afterwards. Now, it seems as if paintball is almost a chore. The field where I played at quite regularly has good prices and everything, but it also has a bunch of people that don't play much, they just like to shoot real fast in front of all of the newbs and then get mowed when they actually played. Anyway, sorry for going off subject a little. I want to try to get a good trigger without doing much damage. I also just recently picked up an old rt classic that I'd like to mess with a little also.Comment
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if you dont want to do dammage do not "polish" (when it comes to sears when someone says polish they mean grind!) your sear! the metal there is hardened through a chemical process, but the hardened material is only a couple of thousandths thick, if you polish, or grind the sear its kinda like taking the enamal off a tooth!
the stainless steel bolt is a different ordeal, but "polishing" or grinding on that will make the marker less safe... but that is the point of a trigger job isnt it?Tom was the last of a now extinct breed, a breed of players who build a community, a breed of owners who gave to the sport never taking more than what they deserved. I hope to see you at the feild again some day....Comment
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There are a few old school mods that will lead to a crisp trigger feel without any additional wear on the parts.
- put trigger stops behind the trigger to eliminate unnecessary excess trigger travel
- put shims on the trigger pin to reduce side to side wobble
- put shims between the on-off bottom and the on-off top (just enough that the gun will fire right after the on-off closes).
- if using a level 7 bolt, use the longest powertube spacer that will work without leaking
These things will wield an amazingly crisp trigger without any additional wear on your mag.Except for the Automag in front, its usually the man behind the equipment that counts.Comment
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Polishing the sear or bolt will do nothing. It's on the wrong side of the trigger pull. The sear actually moves in an arc away from the bolt. It doesn't slide off it, so polishing will accomplish nothing.
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Hardrock, I really meant polishing with my dremel. I know grinding is bad. I ruined a sear like that once. athomas, I will try some of your suggestions. I just figured polising would take some of the resistance away if you smooth the two egdes. In theory it made sense. The mags triggers we have are proving to be the hard ones to work on to get them better. We know about the ult, but were trying to stay kind of old school. I picked up an OLD cocker in the beginning of the year that is nice and worn in, so I'm not going to mess with that too much. The one guy that plays with us got his hands on an older classic mag with the weird looking sear and a bigger than normal hole where the sear goes through the mainbody(I think its for a pump, but I'm not sure) but anyway it has one of those reactor on/off assemblies that came out a while ago. I heard they sucked, but his trigger is the nicest of all of our triggers. And also, I've been experimenting with the old power tube springs. They seem to give a shorter pull. Again thank you all for your help and suggestions. Keep them coming if you happen to think of any other ideas or ways to get a better trigger.Comment
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Polishing does NOTHING except rub off the protective coating on the sear. The resistance you speak of is not actually there. The sear doesn't slide off the bolt. It moves in an arc away from it.
Power tube springs have NO effect on trigger pull length. Absolutely NONE.
The big hole in the body is for a pump kit.
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Dayspring, I'm not going to be polishing the sear or bolt. I didn't know that coating was a protective coating. I don't want to damage anything. I'm not trying to argue or anything, but the old power tube spring is giving me a lighter and shorter pull than the power tube spacers I currently have. I have an old pro team products spacer kit and the power tube spring is giving me the best results so far. I'm not saying your wrong Dayspring, but that is what is givng me the best trigger all around so far and it is not real easy to chuff with it either. The one purple spacer I have leaks sometimes and makes the bolt stick. The red,green, and blue spacers make the trigger harder and the stock AGD spacer is ok, but the spring has been the best all around so far.Comment
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The spacers are different lengths. Too long and you get leakage past the powertube oring. Too short and it holds the bolt forward causing bolt stick. The longer the length, the crisper the pull. The force required to pull the trigger doesn't change though. The spring is probably the correct length for your setup.Except for the Automag in front, its usually the man behind the equipment that counts.Comment
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I don't doubt that the spring gives you good results in it not leaking, but it has NO bearing on trigger pull/weight whatsoever.
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i might agrue with you on that one dayspring seeing as how changing powertube spacers does lighten the trigger up a tiny bit, im sure that the spring would change it up. and did you know that if you completely remove the spring/spacer you get an rt effect
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