CPS/BPS Mechanical Cap/Limit

[Pha|anx]

Just looking for some simple facts. To counter the "OMG my l33t DM4 shot 35bps on uncapped ramping today! AGG ain it?".

All I am looking is unbiased max FULL cyclic rate, meaning a ball can be fired with each cycle; MFCR. Those markers whose MFCR can be changed by increase input pressure, please state the input pressure for your test. For example AGD X-Valves. I put to gether a list of markers... If I missed any important ones feel free to post there info.


*E-Matrix/DM3/DM4/DM5/PM5
Capped by the solenoid at 23-25

*Ion
*Shocker
*Impulse

*04 Viking (Humphrey) 34 - 48
*04 Excalibur (Humphrey) 25 - 30

*E/X-Mag (X-Valves only.) 25

*Intimidator Classic
*Intimidator Post-Classic

*E1 Cockers
*E2 Cockers

*Ego
*B2K4
*Promaster 2k5
*FS 05
*FS7

*05 Speed
*Angel G7
*A4 Fly

If I confused the heck out of anyone, let me know and I'll try to clear it up.

[onedude36]

I heard from a very reliable source, a friend of a friend of a friend, that dm4s can only cycle 23 or so. I would assume similar numbers for the whole matrix family. I not really all that knowledgable in this area.

[Pha|anx]

I will be editing the list with the actually #s for each marker. Also, if anyone knows the part the mechanicaly caps/bottlenecks the specific marker; that information would be much appreciated!

I heard from a very reliable source, a friend of a friend of a friend, that dm4s can only cycle 23 or so. I would assume similar numbers for the whole matrix family. I not really all that knowledgable in this area.

That's sounds right. Someone had told me that specific # before, just wanted to make sure. The dump chamber is what limits DM4s, correct?

[MadPSIence]

04 Viking hit 34bps.

[minimag03]

04 Viking w/ hump noids can do 40 cps (according to AKA's website). I believe reliable people in AKA forum have said they got something like 48 cps.

Excal w/hump noids can do 25 cps (according to AKA's website). Like mentioned about, some have claimed about 30 cps.

[NukeGoose]

I don't know of anyone that's tested any gun for max firing rate, as in verified that there would be enough air coming out to fire a ball at 300 FPS with each cycle. Even if you're cycling the solenoid at 45 cyc/sec, and the bolt is moving back and forth at 45 cyc/sec, there's no guarantee that enough air is getting through the valve to fire 45 times per second. Anything more than 'I've verified gun X shooting Y bps with paint without shootdown' is just speculation as to whether it will actually fire paint, and the shootdown can come from a number of factors (tank, HPR, LPR, ...) that aren't part of the design of the gun's operation (the exception here being a mag, since the regulator is an integral part of the valve).

[MadPSIence]

ANS GX-E with E-1 was posted on PBN hitting 22cps today. That could be the E1 figure.

[onedude36]

04 Viking hit 34bps.

no. the viking did 31 and the mag did 34.

[cledford]

Two things - again, without shooting paint or verifying that the correct volumn of air (that would be required to fire a paint ball) is coming out CPS is a waste of time.

Now, for the E/Xmags - I heard about 22 max. Actually I think the software limited a few bps to allow for correct sear/bolt lockup. I *think* if Mags shoot faster than the 20 you get bolt wear and incomplete cycling. Want I *heard* (someone please jump in om this) is that the Mag has a fixed cycle time that is tied to the time required for the bolt to move forward, backward and lock, along the on/off pin to drop and refill the dump chamber.

-Calvin

[stop whining buy a mag]

I believe the 'noid was having trouble past 22 BPS so that was another downfall of 4.XX software. There was no point in it if you could only get another 2 BPS.

Correct me if I'm wrong but for the DM's, PM's, and E-Matrices, they are basically limited by the 'noid. Supposedly the 'noid can only cycle 22 times reliably in a second. But there were claims of a few guns getting to 26 BPS (probably tuned well, in perfect conditions.)

[Maggot6]

Are all of these guns supposed to be electric? Because we should all know that the e/xmags are quite faster in mech mode...And on your list I don't think I saw anything mechanical...

[buzzboy]

no. the viking did 31 and the mag did 34.

That is bps. I'm pretty sure the cps was highet.

[Chronobreak]

dm's/matrix 22-23
mag -34bps actual(althoguh i heard 44 cps somewhere..)
cocker, 35 actual ,i heard they can do around 40 with the right parts and 4-way(karni)
and aka guns doing around 30 as well, depending on noid as stated above

[MonsterMag]

2k5 Alias ,Capable of firing 25 BPS
claimed on on www.boblong.com

[magman007]

any matrix is limited by the noid, which is only capable of 23-25 cps, possibly more with a lowering of the dwell, but not likely. it is the weak point in the matrix. the spoolvalve has the capability to be the fastest firing system