Sear tripper electros

[buzzboy]

Plain and simple, do you think mags are the best sear tripper electro's out there. The next lowest sear tripper is like a spyder or something like that.

[onedude36]

Yes. But the guns you mention should not be in the same category. The designs are completely opposite. The price categorys are worlds apart as well.

[buzzboy]

Yes but are there any high end sear tripper electros that arn't agd.

[nicad]

Cockers are sear trippers.

I know the Evil Omen used to be somewhat expensive (havent checked on them in a while).. and they are sear trippers too.

[GT]

Cockers are sear trippers.

dam beat me to it!

[personman]

Well mags arent the traditional sear tripper. Most sear trippers release a springloaded hammer thats attached to the bolt. The sears in mags are completely different.

[punkncat]

Well mags arent the traditional sear tripper. Most sear trippers release a springloaded hammer thats attached to the bolt. The sears in mags are completely different.

Well considering that w/o the sear releasing in any of them, the firing cycle will not be....I think its a different means to the same end.

[JoshK]

Yeah... I agree on the mags being a seartripper. Just not in the typical sence of the word.

I can't really think of any others not listed already.

[VFX_Fenix]

Sear Tripper - A gun which uses a solenoid to actuate a sear to being the firing cylce.

Hyper/X/E/Devil-Mag = Sear Tripper RT Pro

Let's not kid ourselves here guys, every e-frame Mag is a sear tripper.

E-Cockers are indeed sear trippers, as are the Evil Omen, Dragun TES, ESP Spyders, E-Grip A-5's Pretty much anything which uses a mechanical restraint (i.e. sear) on the bolt/hammer assembly.

Guns which aren't sear trippers. Spool Valve (Matrix/Shocker), Pneumatic Blow Forward (Ion/Freestyle), Rammer (Dragun One, BKO, B2K, Imp, Timmy, Angel, Ego, etc. etc. etc.)

EDIT - Even CoolHand's UMF is a sear tripper, though it's a pneumatic sear tripper which is a new twist on the old equation. It's an artifact of the Automag itself being a Mechanical gun with an electronic conversion installed, the same is true with every other sear tripper.

I suppose my question is, what's wrong with sear trippers? C'mon, think about it. Does the inherent action of the firing mechanism really change how a given gun performs? Does an E-Mag really shoot that much differently than an RT Pro? Sure it's faster, but only because the trigger pull is lighter. Does a Spyder really shoot that differently when it's an E-Spyder vs. a Mech-Spyder? How about a Cocker?

So guys, please, tell me, I want to know, what's the hang up with Sear Trippers?

[TheTramp]

Let's not kid ourselves here guys, every e-frame Mag is a sear tripper.

No one's arguing that. It's fired in part by the sear releasing the bolt. The point some are trying to make is that lumping every gun that uses a sear into one group is missleading. Yes, both the E-Spyder and the E-Mag have sears. It's not true however that they opperate in the same way. Even the way the noid interacts with the sear is different.

[VFX_Fenix]

No one's arguing that. It's fired in part by the sear releasing the bolt. The point some are trying to make is that lumping every gun that uses a sear into one group is missleading. Yes, both the E-Spyder and the E-Mag have sears. It's not true however that they opperate in the same way. Even the way the noid interacts with the sear is different.

But what changes when you lable the gun a sear tripper? Does it mean that suddenly it's a cheap POS that couldn't hit the broad-side of a barn or that it'll crumble to dust when you look at it crosseyed?

OR, is it a matter of "image"?

and umm... Sear releases a Bolt/Hammer in a firing cycle... how does the function of the sear change between the Spyder and the Mag?

[11 Bravo]

What is wrong with a sear tripper. Nothing wrong with sears, I have a Tac 9 thats a sear tripper and its faster than any paintball gun ever thought of being.

[Hexis]

Only part of the cocker's cycle is a sear tripper. The ram is controlled seperatly by a solenoid driven valve (4 way valve). The MQ based electro cockers don't even have a sear to trip.

[TheTramp]

But what changes when you lable the gun a sear tripper? Does it mean that suddenly it's a cheap POS that couldn't hit the broad-side of a barn or that it'll crumble to dust when you look at it crosseyed?

OR, is it a matter of "image"?

That's exactly what the problem is. People have a negative image of "sear trippers" because of the E-Spyder type guns. As the Mag doesn't work like that why would you lump it in with them? Everyone knows about the negative connotation the label has. Knowing that it doesn't hold true for Mags doesn't make it go away.

and umm... Sear releases a Bolt/Hammer in a firing cycle... how does the function of the sear change between the Spyder and the Mag?

Umm....I assume you know about the on/off, how it is involved with the firing of the Mag valve and how this is very different than a spring powered ram system. Yes they bolt have sears. One releases the hammer, the other releases the bolt.

[VFX_Fenix]

Umm....I assume you know about the on/off, how it is involved with the firing of the Mag valve and how this is very different than a spring powered ram system. Yes they bolt have sears. One releases the hammer, the other releases the bolt.

Actually, no I don't, please, elighten me about the On/Off assy and how it's involved in firing the Mag valve.

In its most basal interpretation they both do the same thing. When the sear is engaged the propellant forces for both markers are charged, actuating the sear removes the charging aspect from the system and facilitates the marker's discharge.

Point being that the Solenoid in the E-Frame of the Mag is homoplasic (convirgent) to the Solenoid which resides within the E-Frame of every other E-Conversion for mechanical guns (exceptions being the E-Bolt and "One" Kits). Though the two guns come from different lineages, they both encorperate a solenoid to move another homoplasic part in the marker (sear) during the marker's firing cycle.

Look at it this way, Birds, Bats and Insects all fly. Their wings are derived in different manners from different structures, however they all are identified as "wings" which classifies these animals largely as "Flying Creatures". In birds and bats the wings are derived differently than the wings of insects (which are growths of the thorax in insects and forelimbs in bats and birds). Yet even between birds and bats the only homologous (inhereted feature) structure is the forelimb itself as the foil of the wing in bats is derived from forelimb and elongate digits with webbing between them and in birds the wing is derived from feathers extending from the forelimb (which makes the actual structure of the wings homoplasic but not homologous).

So here's the distinction.

All guns which use a solenoid to actuate a sear durring the firing cylce are classified as "Sear Trippers" (Just as all creatures use wings to fly can be called "fliers")

However there are at least 4 lineages of guns which can be called "Sear Trippers".
Blow Forward Semi (Mags)
Autococking converted Pump guns (Cockers)
Stacked Blowback Semi (Spyders)
Inline Blowback Semi (Tippmanns)

Each lineage has a unique approach to the problem of an E-Conversion while maintaining its inherently mechanical function (i.e. bolt of frames).

More derived versions of each of these linages -
Blow Forward Semi -> Ion/Freestyle (Pneumatic Blow Forward)
Stacked Blowback -> Intimidator/Defiant (Rammer)
Inline Semi -> Matrix/Shocker SFT (Spool Valve)
Autocockers -> Excaliber/Shoebox Shocker (Dual solenoid)

In each of the above they've lost their mechanical aspects (i.e. springs no longer work to reset or power actions princepley) in favor of pneumaticaly driven parts.

Finally, Tramp, I'm sorry to say, the Automag has a few other and bigger problems than being grouped into the so called "Trailer trash" sear tripper catagory. If you honestly think that people care enough about the Automag to care that it's a "sear tripper" and therefore must suck, you've been asleep or are just in denial about the actual image of the Automag in the paintball playing community at large.

A lot of the people here might still think that the Automag is the epitome of engineering and the greatest thing since 62" plasma TV's but in the world today, the Automag is far from an engineering marvel and even farther from what the average players wants in a gun. Sure, the Mag was top of the pile back in the early to mid 90's, even into the late 90's it was still a desirable marker. Today, there are far better guns on the market for the price you'd pay for a new Mag in terms of performance, asthetics, efficiency, and weight.

This isn't OMG people think Mags suck because they're Sear Trippers!!! OH NOZ!!!!!!!!!!

This is People just don't want Mags because of everything they aren't. They aren't new, they aren't flashy, they aren't cheap, they aren't "fast" in stock form, upgrades to make them "fast" are more expensive than other upgrades to make other guns fast, they don't have any of the features that most people look for in expensive guns they can buy off the shelf (nigh an ACE in sight for one). And the first person to spout the old AGD rehtoric about "The Fastest Charging Valve" and So'n So got a Mag to shoot 30+ BPS with a direct input of 2000psi has lost this argument. Why? Because no one cares, in the real world of paintball no one will be running around with a SCUBA on their back driving the valve at 2000psi, no one cares that the valve is the fastest, and no one except the paranoid Automag community at large even cares that the E-Mag is a sear tripper and that it might have some form of "negative image" effect of Mags as a whole.