Timmy Vs Matrix

[matt-o]

if you want easy maintenance get a timmy, if you want low kick get a proto. i prefer the proto as timmies feel cheaply built to me, also i have never had any problems with bolt stick on any of my spool valve guns. timmies are easy to fix but they seem to break too easily at my feild.
both will be about the same weight, with the proto being slightly heavier but who really cares. both will be about equally accurate(consistant) with the proto winning out slightly due to lesser kick and a better stock reg and barrel. i say proto but its your money.

[Load SM5]

I've had 2 shockers a DM4 and 5 and an Alias over the past couple of years. The one gun I have'nt gotten rid off is the Alias. The triggers, for whatever reason, just feel flat out great. I've never gotten another marker to feel the same. I baby all of my guns and the Alias has never gone down on me over the past 2 years. During that time I've replaced exactly 1 o-ring in the LPR. My other guns, while they've had their moments, have all failed me for whatever reason, it was too cold for the lube I had, something backed out of adjustment, or I forgot to sacrifice a chicken and spit rum at it that morning. I dunno. Proto's are great but I do find that line of guns to be a bit more labor intensive and finicky.

My opinion is a timmy...

..obviously.

[shorty24]

Originally posted by FallNAngel
I'm not quite sure what would make someone think that "best" had an 'i' in it either...

No, cuz that's not what he's saying. He's saying biased.

To answer his question, I'd have to go with the 'trix, although maintenance is a pain. Timmy's are fast and simple...and more reliable. I just like the 'trix more, I guess...

[tyrion2323]

Way to be a douchebag, FnA.

I would go with the Intimidator, simply because of the simplicity and ease of maintenance. Timmies rarely go down when taken care of, and even when they do, they're easily revived!

Matrices are beautiful, wonderful markers as well; however, my experiences have been mostly Timmies, and I will vouch for their ease of use, ease of maintenance and simplicity.

[Evil1]

Load couldn't have said it better. In my past years in paintball, I would always buy a new gun almost every year. Sometimes more than one. In June of 04, I picked up an 02 timmy and loved it. I kept it for 2 months and used my friends alias one day and loved that even more. I picked up an alias about a week later and that has been my main gun for a year and a half now. The gun is reliable as hell,fast, light, and accurate. It is simple to maintain and I forgot to mention that the kick is not bad and its pretty efficient as well. The gun has been awesome in the time I've had it and even the most mechanically inept person could maintain it. I've only chopped a handful of times with it and it rarely breaks paint in the barrel. I kept it mostly stock because I didn't feel it had many defiencies. I had a critical trigger but put the stock one in because I could shoot it faster with that one. Matrices have never impressed me. There just as fast, but not as efficient and the kick is not much different between the two. Matrices are a bit tall for my liking as well. The matrix is a good gun too, but I like timmies better.

[magman007]

in all honesty, i would go with the proto, or rather any matrix.

First off, have you shot either? try em out, every one has em, the pm5 will shoot the same as the pm6, so it shouldnt be a problem to find one to get the idea.

The proto is much easier maitinence wise, unscrew a cap, pull out the bolt system, slap some lube on, re insert, and go.

Easy to set lpr

Easy interface.

NO kick opperation

and easy to shoot fast.

The timmy, im not too keen on them, they just dont toot my whistle. they are fast yes, but the proto is just as fast and easy to shoot, i dont like the kick, and in all honesty, i dont like the idea of body extrusions, id rather have something milled.

[lather]

Spool valves are a superior rapid shooting design to any hammer and valve gun. Timmies are fast but no where as near as smooth as a matrix when you are shooting at speed. I owned around 8 electros so far, most of them the typical high end hammer guns and the only one I feel worth keeping is my Proto.

One thing to consider as well is that you are comparing a $800.00 gun to a $1200.00 + gun. IMO Timmies dont offer anything special or unique over an Angel, Cyborg, Viking, Ego, or even the Promaster.
If you want to spend the amount of cash a Timmy costs I would suggest an EGO or Angel G7, or 05 Speed they are higher quality made markers than the Timmy for around the same price.


In the end it all boils down to personal perferance. Shoot them both and then decide.

[Lohman446]

Spool valves are a superior rapid shooting design to any hammer and valve gun. Timmies are fast but no where as near as smooth as a matrix when you are shooting at speed. I owned around 8 electros so far, most of them the typical high end hammer guns and the only one I feel worth keeping is my Proto.

However, the Matrix solenoid limits it in the low 20s (like anyone can shoot it anyways) which is enforced by a software cap. That being said I like my Proto better than a lot of different markers I have shot, and maintenance is best cut down by use of slick honey.

[lather]

However, the Matrix solenoid limits it in the low 20s (like anyone can shoot it anyways) which is enforced by a software cap. That being said I like my Proto better than a lot of different markers I have shot, and maintenance is best cut down by use of slick honey.

I think the cap is 24 bps? Ive used slick honey since I got my Proto about 6 months ago and have yet to change a single o-ring. (I do clean and lube the bolt assembly after every day of play but that only takes about 3 mins tops).

What I dont get is why some people think its heavy maintenance to remove a bolt, wipe off the grease, and reapply with fresh grease? Its the same if not less effort to maintain as a traditional hammer/valve gun. (Pull out Macro or unscrew tank from ASA, add couple drops of oil, remove barrel, fire 20 times, take out delrin bolt, wipe oil off bolt etc etc... )

[stop whining buy a mag]

However, the Matrix solenoid limits it in the low 20s (like anyone can shoot it anyways) which is enforced by a software cap. That being said I like my Proto better than a lot of different markers I have shot, and maintenance is best cut down by use of slick honey.

The almighty slick honey. Everyone is complaining about maintanence on Matrices but it isn't bad at all. Slide out the bolt every other time you play and put some slick honey on it. Every couple months lube the reg and LPR. As long as it is regularly lubed, o-rings won't go very often.

I've only shot a Timmy so I can't say all that much about those.

Go to the field and explain to the guys that you are looking to buy a new gun. Politely ask if you can take 20 shots over the chrono. They may even be selling it also, so they'd gladly let you try it. If there is a specific gun that you're looking for but is never at your field then just see if any other local shops carry it. As long as you have the $$$ they'll let you shoot it for the chance to make a sale. Last but not least, research research, research.

[SCpoloRicker]

I always thought the reason this place was so nice is we could have intelligent conversations and still respect on another. Of coarse intelligent also means that you might have to get the spell check out and you might need to look up a word or two, and maybe even reread it to prevent errors. Thats what really seperates AO from PBN. Even when we flame eachother, we do it in a grammatically correct wa(rather than the PBN method which is more along the lines of "U AER TEH MSOT NOT UBAR ROXORZ PERSON EVRE!!"). You are also capable of doing that since you did it in your last post and only made one noticable error. Im not saying your dumb or anything. I just would appreciate it maybe if we don't have to strain our eyes trying to figure out what your saying. So put a smile back on and try asking the question again.

Load couldn't have said it better. In my past years in paintball, I would always buy a new gun almost every year. Sometimes more than one. In June of 04, I picked up an 02 timmy and loved it. I kept it for 2 months and used my friends alias one day and loved that even more. I picked up an alias about a week later and that has been my main gun for a year and a half now. The gun is reliable as hell,fast, light, and accurate. It is simple to maintain and I forgot to mention that the kick is not bad and its pretty efficient as well. The gun has been awesome in the time I've had it and even the most mechanically inept person could maintain it. I've only chopped a handful of times with it and it rarely breaks paint in the barrel. I kept it mostly stock because I didn't feel it had many defiencies. I had a critical trigger but put the stock one in because I could shoot it faster with that one. Matrices have never impressed me. There just as fast, but not as efficient and the kick is not much different between the two. Matrices are a bit tall for my liking as well. The matrix is a good gun too, but I like timmies better.

Yah, what they said, or something.

/listen to Lohman, and don't grammar nazi

[FallNAngel]

No, cuz that's not what he's saying. He's saying biased.

Well, that makes a bit more sense... but hence the reason for wanting a post with decent spelling.

Way to be a douchebag, FnA.

Wow, now I'm a douchebag because I wouldn't answer a question

However, the Matrix solenoid limits it in the low 20s (like anyone can shoot it anyways) which is enforced by a software cap.

Even without the software cap, they're still limited. I believe that's the DM4/5/Proto series though, I believe the DM3's are a bit faster (not that it matters much).

The almighty slick honey. Everyone is complaining about maintanence on Matrices but it isn't bad at all. Slide out the bolt every other time you play and put some slick honey on it. Every couple months lube the reg and LPR. As long as it is regularly lubed, o-rings won't go very often.

[Gumbe]

[tyrion2323]

Nope, you're a douchebag because you came in and responded in a crass manner. You state that you didn't want to spend 2 minutes writing a response, yet you've invested more time than that simply trolling around this thread, making assumptions and calling names.

[68magOwner]

if your going to get a newer timmy, get one thats on the real 2k5 platform (any new one OTHER than the empire) But, id take the proto 06 over any current timmy anyway, its all personal preferance, try guns out.