Logic Ultimate Mechanical Mag Frame - AO First Look!

[CoolHand]

The price has been formulated finally, so there is now a thread up in the Dealer's section.

Link to the dealer's forum post with pricing etc ----> Dealer's Thread

[UTDragun]

These bad boys are fresh off the machine.

I swear you are bent on making me broke arent you?? i may be po' but i got high class paintball equipment!

[CoolHand]

I swear you are bent on making me broke arent you??!

That's the general idea.

[p8ntball72]

I have question.

the elect/pnue assest frame shurly has been around for some time.
Has anyone contacted you about patent enfrengment... or have you applied for a patent?
Did you do any research if anyone else had a patent.

seems that Deadlywind got notice early in the development or their frame, and im just wondering what steps you have taken to protect yourself.

[CoolHand]

I have question.

the elect/pnue assest frame shurly has been around for some time.
Has anyone contacted you about patent enfrengment... or have you applied for a patent?
Did you do any research if anyone else had a patent.

seems that Deadlywind got notice early in the development or their frame, and im just wondering what steps you have taken to protect yourself.

This is a mechanical frame. It works just like any other Mag frame does. You are confusing it with the very similarly shaped electro frame I'm doing. Two totally different projects.

Also, I have it on very good authority that DW was not served a C&D, but rather that AGD simply chose not to fund the project, and DW could not continue on their own. That whole deal never made it to the lawsuit/cease and desist stage. Remember, what is said in public, and what actually happened are very nearly always drastically different things.

I was advised that I was fine. Even if I wasn't, for 25-50 frames, it's not worth the time to have a lawyer write me a C&D letter. I am so small time as to not even be worth the trouble. However, that didn't stop me from checking to be sure. I have no worries on this end, regardless of speculation to the contrary.

[Automaggot68]

This is a mechanical frame. It works just like any other Mag frame does. You are confusing it with the very similarly shaped electro frame I'm doing. Two totally different projects.

Also, I have it on very good authority that DW was not served a C&D, but rather that AGD simply chose not to fund the project, and DW could not continue on their own. That whole deal never made it to the lawsuit/cease and desist stage. Remember, what is said in public, and what actually happened are very nearly always drastically different things.

I was advised that I was fine. Even if I wasn't, for 25-50 frames, it's not worth the time to have a lawyer write me a C&D letter. I am so small time as to not even be worth the trouble. However, that didn't stop me from checking to be sure. I have no worries on this end, regardless of speculation to the contrary.

THEY'LL NEVER CATCH US.

[nicad]

Also, I have it on very good authority that DW was not served a C&D, but rather that AGD simply chose not to fund the project, and DW could not continue on their own. That whole deal never made it to the lawsuit/cease and desist stage. Remember, what is said in public, and what actually happened are very nearly always drastically different things.

Ryan-

You are correct.. what is rumored in public and what actually happened are almost always two different things.

There have been just that-- rumors- being spread since day one regarding the hAir and AGD.
Lets just say (for now) that all resistance to the hAir progressing has stemmed from PTP, not AGD.

What will be interesting is to see what eventually comes of the actions that occurred on 06-01-05.

[CoolHand]

Ryan-

You are correct.. what is rumored in public and what actually happened are almost always two different things.

There have been just that-- rumors- being spread since day one regarding the hAir and AGD.
Lets just say (for now) that all resistance to the hAir progressing has stemmed from PTP, not AGD.

What will be interesting is to see what eventually comes of the actions that occurred on 06-01-05.

That wasn't meant as a slight against your company, or even you personally. I've never seen you say anywhere that you were sued or issued any kind of stop order at all. You just said the only things you could do were expensive, which leaves a whole lot of open territory.

But from that people have extracted all sorts of very specific things, most of which aren't true.

In retrospect, perhaps I should not have said anything at all, since I myself have zero firsthand knowledge of what went down. I only know what I can pry out of people here and there who do know (which isn't a great deal). What I got is what I posted. If you take issue with it, let me know and it can be gone in about five keystrokes.

Also, just a note to anyone who's never done something like this, having a project die due to lack of capital is not something to be ashamed of. It takes a lot of dough to make this stuff happen, and the more complex the project, the higher the costs. I myself could not take on a project like the hAir or whatever PTP does without doing some kind of joint venture, or finding a decent sized backer. I simply can't leverage the kind of capital it would take to produce them in the quantities needed to meet the prices everyone has latched onto (where they got their numbers I have no idea). Which is why the info I got seemed at least plausible.

Now, why PTP themselves are taking so damned long to do whatever it is they are going to do is beyond me.

[CoolHand]

These frames go off to ano at the end of next week, so if you want one in a custom color, you need to get it ordered pretty soon.

That is all.

[Automaggot68]

These look great!