feed question

**onedude36** · 10-16-2005, 09:57 PM

It is easier to shoot both sides of a bunker and switch hands with a vert feed gun. I hope i answered some question, but im not thinking incredibly clearly now...

**Army** · 10-16-2005, 11:57 PM

Main reason, is the "pros" began using vert feed. Of course, if the "pros" use it, it must the shizznit....right?

My thinking, is hoppers became more efficient and faster, negating the benefits of Powerfeed. Slow end markers still need it to function with any level of surity though. I also believe players were getting sick and tired of broken elbows.

**Vex** · 10-17-2005, 02:40 AM

I see it as more of a streamline issue. With the vert feed, you no longer have to worry about your hopper sticking out from the side of a bunker and getting tagged. You can tilt your gun just a bit and keep your hopper behind cover. Also, with the vert feed, it seems that you are able to put your hopper closer to the body of your gun, thereby shortening the profile of your set up overall.

Does it actually work better than powerfeed? Good question. I think it's just a matter of what works for each individual.

**CoolHand** · 10-17-2005, 02:56 AM

Originally posted by Army

. . . . . . I also believe players were getting sick and tired of broken elbows.

This is the exact reason I switched to a vert feed cocker just as soon as WGP had one out, and why all my Mags had ULE bodies on them as soon as those came out (the NoRise SS bodies had come and gone before news even filtered out to the sticks about them).

I hate all elbows with a passion. Be they the milky VL friction fits, or crystal clear clamping (or as we called them "Shattermatic") jobs, I despise them all.

There is just something about being able to just stick your hopper into a feedcup and go that I really dig (plus not having to worry about the elbow breaking if you have to cannon ball through a shrub/tree on your way across the field).

Of course, now we've come full circle again. With clamping feeds, and hoppers made out of that same shattermatic plastic, instead of breaking your elbow (a $2 part), you break your loader neck (a $29 part). Isn't progress wonderful?

This is the reason why I still rock the Pre-BE Revy whenever I can get away with it. If you don't need the speed, the revy is way lighter and WAY more durable than a HALO. PLUS, since my regular feed cups still fit my revys like they used to (Remember when all feed cups fit your hopper?), I don't use a clamper.

That means no tools to install/remove the hopper, and if I take a hard spill and lose it, I can just put the hopper back into the cup, instead of picking of two pieces of shell and trying to transmute my loader back into one piece in the middle of a game.

This reminds me how much I long for a simpler time, when paintball was much less complicated, and CO2 bulk tanks roamed the land . . . . . . .

**Vex** · 10-17-2005, 05:04 AM

Damn Ryan, why don't you tell us how you REALLY feel...!

**buzzboy** · 10-17-2005, 05:16 AM

Another one of the big reasons was blowback. The powerfeed utalized blowback gasses to help chamber the next ball faster. Now we have all but eleminated blowback so that would be worthless. Then, after powerfeed but before forcefeed, we saw the hirise. This allowed for the gun to have up to about 5-7 balls ready to shoot at 13 bps(how fast balls can feed themselves). Then we got norise feednecks. This is for forcefeed hoppers. There is not need for the forcefeed so people can have a shorter ball stack. This allows for the gun to have a lower profile.

**Kwaidd** · 10-17-2005, 07:17 AM

thanks to you guys who have answered thus far.

someone hinted on the blowback from the gas and that jogged my memory and yes thats why i remember the pwrfeed coming into play, to eliminate the ball bobble and use that pressure to "force" the ball into the chamber.

cool-hand noted on how we went from a high profile breakable unit that was cheap, to a low profile vertical unit that was decent and now back to a low profile vert that breaks and costs a buttload. btw, I love the word shattermatic = leet

if i was to use my classic valve lets say, buying a dallara or a ule body would give me a vert feed. Is the vert feed a bad idea with my old classic valve and lvl 7 stuff...and heres the other thing...i still use a gravity feed cheapo hopper. im not into paintball "bling", but boy am i in love with the dallara body.

so does vert feed need to be on/work better on electros than it would on old mechs...and i guess ultimately would it work well with the old stuff i already have? or should i try and scrape the money together and buy everything i want and have 2 guns? issue of course is the money. dallara = 280 w/a color, x-valve (on agd anyways) is like 350 i think, then the grips, hoses, etc etc = not a cheap endeavor.

anyways, thanks again

-kw

**buzzboy** · 10-17-2005, 05:19 PM

The dalarra will be fine. You won't have any problems with it being vert feed. And if you look you can trade in your classic valve and get an x valve for $225.

**slade** · 10-17-2005, 06:19 PM

didnt read the whole thread, but to answer your question quickly:

powerfeed was to stop blowback issues, which isnt a problem with the level 10. plus loaders like the halo force feed the balls so even if there was blowback with vert feed it wouldnt be an issue. also, vert feed allows the hopper to be closer to the gun, ends the need for elbows, and you can have clamping necks. i have no verification on this, but rumor is powerfeed is limited to 15 bps (not like youll outshoot that anyway) whereas vert feed is more or less unlimited.

**Kwaidd** · 10-17-2005, 07:13 PM

i wouldnt want to trade in my classic68 valve cuz i like having the option to be able to throw a Co2 tank on the gun and have it work if i needed to...whereas the x-valve ya cant....so i wanna keep it in case i run out of compressed air during game or cant make it to the store for a refill b4 game day but i have c02 etc. in which case, ill be usin lvl7.

i just noticed on the deadlywind site under the body ordering spec window, it says you HAVE to send in your original am/mm rail as they arent made anymore....in which case i would be screwed on keeping the original gun and having 2 of em. thats a real bummer.

also, what is that hole in the middle of the dallara body on the side almost directly under the vertical feed? i notice there is a "plug?" in the finished pictures in its place? whats that all about?

thx again

kw

**slade** · 10-17-2005, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by Kwaidd

i just noticed on the deadlywind site under the body ordering spec window, it says you HAVE to send in your original am/mm rail as they arent made anymore....in which case i would be screwed on keeping the original gun and having 2 of em. thats a real bummer.

id suggest looking in the classifieds here first, but if you dont trust them, go to www.themagsmith.com , or PM tunaman or CoolHand (logic paintball) here. you should be able to find what you need from them. if you want a 45 frame id suggest looking at coolhand's new mech frame, or if you have enough cash electro frame (www.logicpaintball.com).

**buzzboy** · 10-18-2005, 05:25 AM

That hole is the new ball detents. Remember, now the body is the breach not the barrel. This is what allows the bodys to be cocker threaded.

**mag88888** · 10-18-2005, 09:02 AM

so...what you want is an ule powerfeed

**rkjunior303** · 10-18-2005, 09:41 AM

keep in mind, by going to Dallara, you just changed from twist-lock barrels to autococker threads, too.

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