Level the playing field and what happens--- (PMI EVO VS Proto Matrix)

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  • Pha|anx
    PB United / Euro Freelance
    • May 2005
    • 1073

    #1

    Level the playing field and what happens--- (PMI EVO VS Proto Matrix)

    What Started It
    I was talking with a teammate and somehow we got on the subject of Piranhas electros. Making the comment that I wouldn't mind shooting one or, even playing tourny style speedball with it. He imeadiatly, in a joking manner, said "Do that and your never starting on the team." So I said fine-- Why not play a 1vs1, Piranha vs PM5. He laughed, the other guys didn't say much. Fact of the matter is this, I don't have a Piranha to play him with and have no intentions on buying/building one. (I allready own a X-Mag and Viking.) So, we will most likely never get around to doing the 1vs1.

    TO THE POINT
    The PM5 is far superior. Period. End of story. But so many people simply frown on such markers based on the fact that the people using them are usually entry level players. The first thing out of my 'teammates' mouth was about how horribly there accuracy is. Hmm--- Lets replace the HP reg on a DM5 with the worst/slowest reg on the market and see how accurate it shoots? (I would say swap it for a gas through but, then some is going to say the direct pressure would blow the noid. Correct?) Say we are using an EVO for this argument--

    Replace the hammer and bolt with after market parts, what ever the best replacements parts are.
    T-Board it, give it a nice trigger job with a light microswitch.
    Put a decent reg on it CP/Sidewinder/2Liter/Gladiator.
    Any HP nitro tank with decent recharge.
    And of course a well honed(sp?) .689 sized barrel.
    It allready has eyes.

    Toss on a Halo, give it to a skilled player, and let him set up the ASA/Feedneck so he can shoot/shoulder it to his style. Now have him/her go 1vs1 with another skilled player with a PM5. No ramping, no bounce, chrono the markers at the same velocity, and have them play on a tourny style 3man field. (Size reasons, air bunkers of course.) (PM5 was mentioned only because that is what my teammate shoots. Same thing applies for Shockers, DMs, Timmys, Vikings, Cyborgs, etc...)

    I am in no ways trying to say shoot an EVO over a PM5. Simply this, when you see a totaly nonsponsored team walk out on the field all sporting EVOs setup like afformentioned... Do you say "Wow! Guys we are going to roll them." Or do you realize, "Hey! that guy owns/usually shoots a Predatored Shocker, the other a Alias, and that last guy a DM5."










    *RANT SO OFF*
    Blame anything confusing to lack of sleep.
  • mobsterboy
    Mr.StealYoDallara

    • Aug 2004
    • 2371

    #2
    if you RAILed it, a piranha would be nice with a tboard. But its still a piranha and the cost for DW to RAIL something would be a custom job. Custom is the key word for expensive
    RAWR
    Dallara Den

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    • Pha|anx
      PB United / Euro Freelance
      • May 2005
      • 1073

      #3
      Originally posted by mobsterboy
      if you RAILed it, a piranha would be nice with a tboard. But its still a piranha and the cost for DW to RAIL something would be a custom job. Custom is the key word for expensive
      Yes that would and cost is not meant to be a factor, besides spending to an outrageous extent. Nor am I trying to make the EVO out to be an alternative to someone buying an Ion/Shocker/DM5.

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      • RingOfScale
        Americanized Thai Pancake
        • Sep 2003
        • 898

        #4
        I would like to argue in favor of the piranha (at least being able to hold its own). For the record I currently shoot and FS-7, but a E-Fish (1st run of them) was my 1st gun. The thing was awesome. It never broke on me, rarely chopped (sure this is totally fixed with eyes) and had pretty good accuracy/consistancy. It was a little slow cause the triggere was too stiff, but with a new switch and spring in it that woulda been fixed. Long story short, I felt fine playing against trixes and timmies with it, and would actually do pretty well. If you replaced the regs, lightened some of the inside parts for less kick, new trigger, and a barrel kit, i would be totally willing to use it as a tournament backup behind my freestyle and not be worried about being pwnt by a superior arsenal.

        -rIng
        <<90 percent of all statistics are made up on the spot>>

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        • psychowarden
          Registered User
          • Oct 2005
          • 1118

          #5
          You have to remember, the EVO, in the world of Blowbacks, is pretty high end. I actually really like the way Piranhas shoot, and I am actually considering getting another one, because, at the moment, I dont have a semi to run co2 on. And it is still a Semi.

          I have no problems going onto a field full of Timmies, cockers, IONS and all the other high end electros just with my Phantom. Actually, if it were to come down to it, I would rather use my Phantom over my X-mag, due to the fact that I will go through about 250 paintballs in the whole day, and that the respect that you get is amazing.

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          • BigEvil
            www.BigEvilOnline.com

            • Feb 2005
            • 9333

            #6
            If a marker can shoot a ball, at decent speeds, and at a fairly consistant velocity you can hold your own with it on any rec ball field.

            I see guys with Silver Bullets, Spyders, Pirahnas, Tippys all doing just fine with them.

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            • 11 Bravo
              Predatored Karta Mag
              • May 2005
              • 1247

              #7
              A properly set up gun can compete with any other gun out there. I think that most of the people out there with expensive guns have to find a way to justify spending 1200 on a gun so they say thay you cant compete with out it. Thats rediculous.
              I was at World Cup yesterday with a friend and watched Tippmann play for the championship of their division and as the team was announced my friend said "it must be so difficult to compete with guns like that". I didnt say anything but I knew better as I use to have an egripped A5. Once the game started and Tippmann opened up with there A5s and 98s I just looked at him and said "what do you think now?- he had nothing to say.
              Last edited by 11 Bravo; 10-31-2005, 11:28 AM.

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              • Lohman446
                Useful posts: 7
                • Jun 2003
                • 9315

                #8
                I use a stock PM5 - all stock. They can be had for the $600 range.

                How much do you spend to get a Spyder / Evo / Tippman into the range you want it in to compete? Assuming it cannot compete stock (which I think they can, reasonably)?
                "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. Its not" - Dr Suess

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                • hobbesTZ
                  :dodgy:
                  • Aug 2002
                  • 2219

                  #9
                  I used to have a stock Evo, and I would have been fine using it in tournaments. It never once chopped and even the stock barrel is good. So all you would really need is a new baord if you're into doing PSP/NXL style ramping tournaments.

                  On the otherside, I think it kicks way too much and there are way too many guns that are really close to that price range that are way nicer.

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                  • Lohman446
                    Useful posts: 7
                    • Jun 2003
                    • 9315

                    #10
                    Originally posted by hobbesTZ
                    On the otherside, I think it kicks way too much and there are way too many guns that are really close to that price range that are way nicer.
                    I think thats the key there. Lets not talk Evo to DM6 whatever $1500 marker is out there, but Evo to what can be had for $500 to $600. I can move up to a "high end" marker by spending slightly more.
                    "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. Its not" - Dr Suess

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                    • 11 Bravo
                      Predatored Karta Mag
                      • May 2005
                      • 1247

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Lohman446
                      I use a stock PM5 - all stock. They can be had for the $600 range.

                      How much do you spend to get a Spyder / Evo / Tippman into the range you want it in to compete? Assuming it cannot compete stock (which I think they can, reasonably)?

                      The A5 just needs the W.A.S. board wich is around $100.00. You can do alot more to the A5, but the board is all it really needs.

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                      • Lohman446
                        Useful posts: 7
                        • Jun 2003
                        • 9315

                        #12
                        Originally posted by 11 Bravo
                        The A5 just needs the W.A.S. board wich is around $100.00. You can do alot more to the A5, but the board is all it really needs.
                        What does an electro A-5 cost? Add $100 for a WAS board, recall your still shooting blind (or does the WAS board include eyes?) and how close are you in price already?
                        "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. Its not" - Dr Suess

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                        • Faddy
                          Registered User
                          • Jul 2004
                          • 34

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Lohman446
                          I use a stock PM5 - all stock. They can be had for the $600 range.

                          How much do you spend to get a Spyder / Evo / Tippman into the range you want it in to compete? Assuming it cannot compete stock (which I think they can, reasonably)?
                          My friend saw new EVO's selling on ebay Buy It Now at $170. (He actually bought one) Can't find them at the moment, but I know they were there.T-Board is what, $50? $220 for a budget backup with eyes, that can compete? Not too bad.

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                          • LawnGnome7
                            My brother lives in a mag!
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 157

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Lohman446
                            What does an electro A-5 cost? Add $100 for a WAS board, recall your still shooting blind (or does the WAS board include eyes?) and how close are you in price already?

                            would an A-5 need eyes with the feed system it has?
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                            • Lohman446
                              Useful posts: 7
                              • Jun 2003
                              • 9315

                              #15
                              Originally posted by LawnGnome7
                              would an A-5 need eyes with the feed system it has?
                              I don't like markers without eyes - I have heard all types of ideas on why marker X does not need it thanks to Level ten, cam feed, low pressure, etc. While I have not tried all of them, I have tried enough of them to prefer eyes.
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