Not everyone believes paint to barrel match is important

[Muzikman]

My cocker (the one I mentioned) has been totally re-done by Plamers (Craig to be exact). It is still a manual trigger, but it uses a Sheridan grip frame (pivot trigger). I have never short stroked this cocker since I have had it changed. Short stroking is all I ever did with it before. If you wanna read a short history on the gun, the link is below.

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19440&highlight=Typhocker

[hitech]

[Jeb_Hoge]

I played on Team Palmerized for two years, and while he didn't say it explicitly, I think that Craig likes to make up off-the-wall explanations to answer the kind of questions they tend to get, just to see how people react. I remember one guy telling Craig why the Cocker he'd built (just a kickass superchromed gun) needed to operate at a lower pressure because it would work better, to the point that the guy was getting antagonized because Craig wouldn't just agree with him. I even got the feeling that the Palmers didn't even KNOW specifically why some of their designs worked so well. I mean, we're talking about a shop that works in the old school way. A few generations of gunsmithing experience handed down, self-taught design theory (Glenn said he learned regulator design from sitting down with some books and tearing up some regs), a healthy helping of straight ingenuity, and (in Craig's case, especially) an eye for aesthetic and artistic design. I really don't care that much if they know WHY it works right, as long as it does. I hope that makes sense.

[hitech]

Originally posted by Jeb_Hoge
I hope that makes sense.

Yes it does. I am trying to determine why. It appears that I am fighting a losing battle. BTW, I agree with you assessment of PPS.

[hitmanng]

Now since this is my classic "to freak" or "not to freak" barrel discussion with cphilip I must comment. Do a search on freak and get much more but this is what it comes down to for me.

I think that the concept of ball to barrel matching is overkilled. I own 2 barrels and only use one most of the time. I only use the larger ball for extremes like Bigball on a humid day. I have shot Diablo, PMI prem, Mignight, teamcolors and any number of others and never had a real problem. Maybe I am fooling myself and my accuracy has really suffered by not matching the ball to the barrel. But, I have been in a number of accuracy competitions and near the top on all of them. I think using the same barrel in all situations is good.

I had my opinions reinforced by Tom Kayes Barrel Sizing Tech Tip #2 post:

http://www.automags.org/ubb/Forum1/HTML/003328.html

He clearly stated 2 important facts.
1. "Does having a good paint barrel match improve your accuracy??? YES"
2. "Many of you have commented that the stock barrels seem to work about as good as custom barrels. This is because todays paint is so much more consistent than 10 years ago that the difference between barrels is much diminished. Even the biggest to the smallest barrels don't produce that much difference in accuracy IF YOU ONLY COUNT THE SHOTS AT THE SAME VELOCITY"
I also have a real problem with step borred barrels but that is another topic for another time.
See more information in your topic called:
"Trying the accuracy question one more time"

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22304&highlight=barrel

Hitmanng
Killer of Sacred cows.

[hitech]

Originally posted by hitmanng
I think that the concept of ball to barrel matching is overkill.

That's kinda what I was thinking.

Originally posted by hitmanng
On the other hand if the ball needs to deform significantly to make it out of the barrel the expansion on release can make the ball bounce out into another direction. i.e. a curve shot. The point is these are extremes. One larger barrel and one standard barrel should suit anyone.

I would have to agree. As far as I can tell from reading here, "most" people here believe that matching the paint to the barrel is the MOST important thing where accuracy is concerned. Too loose (ball bouncing in the barrel) is easy to understand. However, a little too tight doesn't seem to me to be an accuracy hindrance. If it were extreme, as you pointed out, then I can understand how that would be a problem.

I believe getting the perfect match is a fad.

BTW, thanks for answering. I know this has probably been "beat to death", but I wasn't around for those discussions.