One shot to the head or neck at 15ft at 300fps

[rkjunior303]

I always had more trouble with affect and effect, personally

affect can be an action (ie. the wind affects you how? it makes you cold)
effect can be an adjective (ie. the special effect in that movie was cool)



(Brian just doesn't want to get shot in the neck because Christina will think he's cheating on her)

/hickeys are so high-school, bri!
//huked on fonicks werked for me!

[Beemer]

When did this turn into Grammar class?

I would . I wear neck protection because my local field requires it, 7 years back a kid was hit in the throut and everyone left the field except for him (not Know this) until the next game someone found him passed out, he could hardly breathe and the air med team came and flew him out of there. He was fine after two day in the hospital.

^Did ya miss this one?[required]

Ask the guy down at Liberty Paintball, LLC, what happened to a young lady that got hit in the head at aprox. 25ft at field limit of 299. She went down. How come I am seeing that LLC more and more. Must be a CYA thing. Its not Dangerous.

How did you vote Lohman?

No comment on the clip.

I took a shot to the top of the head from about 2" away as I got bunkered. It bled some, and left a nasty welt, but I'd hardly call that a real injury.

Tell me that didnt leave a nice bruse to. Talk to a neurologist and he would disagree with that.

but I don't believe there is a very large chance for injury resulting from a single paintball strike delivered at the legal velocity.

Then you shouldnt mind one shot at 15ft. at legal velocity, Right? Its just a test for the good of Paintball.

Well the key words here are single and legal. With the game changeing the way it is and more and more uneducated uninformed people playing the odds are going up.

Look at that new vents gog. It offers LESS protection. Ya I want one of those.

Granted, with higher ROF the odds will go up some. But I've never been a proponent of high ROF. I don't believe lowering velocity is any sort of answer. At 280-300 FPS the trajectory of a paintball is still pretty bad, lowering it will only make the game more frustrating. Get the ROF under control, and you get the odds of an injury under control as well. You're looking at the wrong angle, IMO.

What angle would that be. I see the whole picture. I dont promote high ROF either. 1 shot 1 pull, period.[ASTM Standard] Yes at range the trajectory aint that good but at 25ft or less it aint to bad. I agree with the control part to.

I agree with Thor and Lohmann that while paintball can be painful, it is not really dangerous, presuming we use the standard safety gear. It is a bit riskier with higher ROF, the smaller fields and the tactic of bunkering. But for those of us who are concerned about that, we just need to mind who we play with, and stick with people who play safely.

I've always said that the beauty of paintball is its flexibility. You can play however you want. You just need to find people who want to play the same way.

Then you voted yes? Its only one shot and it aint dangerous.
As for the rest thanks I know. I know the risk as soon as the gogs come down and the safety goes off. I wont let you hurt me,been playing to long and I wont hurt you cause I know better, but I WILL shoot you.

It is obvious the industry doesnt care and wont follow Safety standards. When do we start careing. I still want to play 10yrs from now, if I aint dead and can still walk.

Shartley got it right. Full head and neck protection. Now pass it on.
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, is it not?

Peace Out

[Lohman446]

Nah, taking a shot to the head or neck "wrong" represents a distinct risk. However, it is not high enough of a risk to prevent me from playing, or to convince me to wear full head or neck protection. I accept the risk associated with my actions.

[Jackel411]

Time for me to and my 2 cents in..


If I was just standing in a test setting and you shot me in the neck or head it would yield a different result that while playing. Most of you may not relize this but adrenalin is a big factor in the game. Ive been shot from 10 feet away while reffing in the side of my stomach and I was whining and yet Ive taken the same shot while playing and noticed the pain but it didnt phase me... Hell... Ive played against some people where the adrenalin was so high we point blanked each other twiece once in the head and once in the leg each and we still didnt acknowledge the shots. Ahhhh botched bunkering in a pump game.. fun fun.


So what can I say any results from a static test is seriously skewed to show more pain effect

[Beemer]

Nah, taking a shot to the head or neck "wrong" represents a distinct risk. However, it is not high enough of a risk to prevent me from playing, or to convince me to wear full head or neck protection. I accept the risk associated with my actions.

So then it would be correct to say you would bunker someone else if they didnt have head or neck protection, because you think, know, believe or guess their risk of injury is acceptable to you. Thats the catch. I have to TRUST other players with my safety in all regards.

So what can I say any results from a static test is seriously skewed to show more pain effect

What you are talking about is Endorphins. You may not feel it for awhile but the injury will still be there

[Lohman446]

So then it would be correct to say you would bunker someone else if they didnt have head or neck protection, because you think, know, believe or guess their risk of injury is acceptable to you. Thats the catch. I have to TRUST other players with my safety in all regards.

I trust that the players in the game I play know the risks of playing and have taken appropriate measures to ensure there safety. For the record I offer surrender options when bunkering anyone that is not playing at "the same level" (not meant to sound conceited) I am. Those that play at the same level I do have to have some responsibility to know the likely events of a game and take steps to make the risk acceptable to themselves. I can't say as I have played with anyone, to the best of my knowledge, that would intentionally aim for the head or neck in a bunker move, not to say I have not taken the fair share of hits to the head at extremely close range.

And in regards to trusting other players. You trust them less than I do, hence feeling the need (or appearing to) for full head and neck protection. You play under circumstances that are acceptable to your level of trust. I may be off in my risk assessment of course, but I don't beleive I am.

[Thordic]

affect can be an action (ie. the wind affects you how? it makes you cold)
effect can be an adjective (ie. the special effect in that movie was cool)

I know the difference now, dip****

[TheTramp]

I voted no.

I wouldn't let you shoot me in the chest at 15ft for no reason. I certainly wouldn't let you shoot me in any sensitive area.

Do I think it's dangerous? Not enough that I wouldn't risk getting shot in those areas.

For the most part, getting hit with a paintball hurts. At least in a game you're keyed up and running etc. Just taking a shot to the neck from close by when you're just standing there waiting for is foolish IMHO. I know that I certainly don't need to prove that I can "take it."

[Jeffy-CanCon]

Then you voted yes? Its only one shot and it aint dangerous.

I voted No. I don't think it's really dangerous, but it would almost certainly be painful. I'm not a big fan of pain.

None of us likes to get lit up, or shot at close range, and so my friends and I don't play that way. There is almost no bunkering or close range shooting. And when not playing with pump guns, we normally abide by a 3-shot rule. That's what I meant about finding people who play the style you want.

Beemer, you do have a point about safety being disregarded. Many players and field-owners are casual about safety. Paintballs main problem, IMNSHO, is that it isn't a sport, but an industry. There is no governing body to set standards for rules and safety. Field owners and event organizers do whatever they think is going to make them the most money, tempered only by the demands of their insurance companies. Only if the insurance companies insist on more safety will it come.

In the meantime, I suggest everyone find a field and/or group of players that has the same attitude towards safety as themselves, and play there.

[mobsterboy]

neck shots are touchy subjects with paintmagnet
i do remember good stories of this...

[PumpPlayer]

Beemer, I think we all see your point, but I think you're going about proving it in the wrong way.

I voted "no" simply because I'm not going to let you shoot me anywhere just for the hell of it. What sense does that make? "Hey, this'll be fun, let me shoot you." Yeah, great idea.


One could ALSO argue that even with neck protection, the bottom of your chin is still exposed. You're looking up a hill, the sun glares in your eyes, you tilt your head slightly to the side so the visor blocks it, a lucky shot gets under your mask and hits the bottom of your jaw.

Would it hurt? Hell yes it would.
Is it a likely enough occurence to warrant a specific protective item? I don't think so.

I don't wear neck protection and I don't wear a cup. In years of playing, you're bound to take a few shots to both areas. Did it hurt? Yes. In fact, the last time I got "tipped", I had to sit out a few games to recover. It happens occasionally, but the risk just isn't high enough for most people to want to wear the gear. It's not because of ignorance, it's just a risk-reward that we're willing to take.

That said, I don't play anywhere with a 300 FPS limit. Not that it really matters.