For all you Tippmann C3 owners

[SuiciDal Sn Y p ER]

The adaptor is safe and legal. However, the only limitation is that disposable propane tanks used by the C3 and other camping equipment are not DOT compliant once refilled. Meaning, you can not transport them in your car once refilled.

but how often are rules enforced? this is paintball, cheating is practically party of the sport now. You have to wait for someone to get seriously injured before anyone will do something

[bentothejam1n]

I dont get how you would know if its full. Would the tank just stop filling?? sounds kinda like a waste of money to me

[blamtro]

but how often are rules enforced? this is paintball, cheating is practically party of the sport now. You have to wait for someone to get seriously injured before anyone will do something

You are the kind of person they make rules for. Its a $10,000 dollar fine and/or 5 years if you are caught. Just don't try and sue anyone when you blow off your arm or face.

[benzy2]

I dont get how you would know if its full. Would the tank just stop filling?? sounds kinda like a waste of money to me

Well if its a 1lb tank and this allows liquid to transfer over then it would seem you would weigh it just like co2. If you can only fill it with gas it would just stop filling well short of 1lb and wouldnt seem to be a saftey issue, still may be very illegal though. Also couldnt you fill liquid into the tank by just flipping the bigger tank upside down?

[SlartyBartFast]

If getting any liquid into the tank is a bad and (possibly) a dangerous thing, then how is it exactly that this adapter is not "all that good" if it fills the tank with gas only?

No. Not ANY liquid. But, ALL liquid.

As it is, that adapter will only fill the small tank with propane gas. If you were to 'tip up' the bulk tank, you could fill with liquid. But, that would require a scale to ensure that the small tank is not over filled.

When you need small tanks, they're relatively cheap. When you don't want to use small tanks, for the same price as the "fill" adapter you can get a hose and adapter to attach the appliance directly to the bulk tank.

[punkncat]

LP is filled by liquid weight, not by gas volume.

Filling a portable tank with the adapter they are showing will not be effective. There is no dip tube so you are just equalizing the gas pressure of the two, not filling with liquid to pull your gas from.

It would be like filling a co2 tank off just gas. It would have pressure for a second and then go flat, because there is no liquid to convert.

With that adapter there is no way to weigh your liquid volume(assuming you could even pull up liquid). So in that it is unsafe. Technically anyone doing LP fills is supposed to be trained and certified to do so. Although honestly in my own experiance, unless you are stupid enough to be smoking or doing it next to a pilot light all you can really do is give yourself a hellified frostbite.

[benzy2]

exactly. It would though be a much better idea to get a fill station setup such as those for co2. Because you weigh propane you NEED to know what the tank weighs empty and you NEED to know how much propane you have filled. A scale and hose setup like for co2 would be able to give a normal guy a safe, if illegal, fill.

[TheTramp]

[Muzikman]

I looked and from what I can tell as long as you don't take the tank across state lines you are fine. Also, the instructions for filling tell you to chill the 1lb tank before filling. Using this method they say you can not over fill it but you will suck liquid propane into the tank. I have also looked and there are MANY companies that sell these so they can't be all that bad. Cabela's is just one of those companies, if they were really that dangerous I am sure they wouldn't be selling it.

[TheTramp]

That's good to hear.

As long as you get some liquid in there it would be worth it. Just getting gas would be a waste of time IMHO.

[SuiciDal Sn Y p ER]

You are the kind of person they make rules for. Its a $10,000 dollar fine and/or 5 years if you are caught. Just don't try and sue anyone when you blow off your arm or face.

i'm explaining to you that there are people out there that just don't care about rules and will do things anyways. I also mentioned that people will only start to care when things go wrong. I don't get where me blowing off my arm or face comes into this discussion...

[blamtro]

i'm explaining to you that there are people out there that just don't care about rules and will do things anyways. I also mentioned that people will only start to care when things go wrong. I don't get where me blowing off my arm or face comes into this discussion...

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Originally Posted by SuiciDal Sn Y p ER
but how often are rules enforced? this is paintball, cheating is practically party of the sport now. You have to wait for someone to get seriously injured before anyone will do something


It sounded to me like you were excusing the fact that the rule is difficult to enforce. Just because there is little chance of you being caught does not mean it is ok to do it.

[OneEyedPimp]

great here we go with the math

50,000/1000*12 = 600 shots per 12gram?

great... now im getting 1,322

convert pounds to kg, from kg to grams. get the shots per so many grams divide the grams by 12 to get some number and use that number to divide 50,000 and in the end i get 1,322...

i realized my mistake with my first and second calculations... and now i've come to my third which results in 1,322 shots =) lets hope im right with this one

Well, we are both rounding so as long as we are close. I converted the 16 ounces into grams instead of Kilograms.

[SuiciDal Sn Y p ER]

Quote:
Originally Posted by SuiciDal Sn Y p ER
but how often are rules enforced? this is paintball, cheating is practically party of the sport now. You have to wait for someone to get seriously injured before anyone will do something


It sounded to me like you were excusing the fact that the rule is difficult to enforce. Just because there is little chance of you being caught does not mean it is ok to do it.

it's not ok to do it, but some will do it anyways because they can. field owners will probably be curious by the c3 being on their field but since there isn't all to much knowledge of the air source they will assume it's just another disposable propane cartridge. what i was getting at is that someone needs to do something wrong and get seriously hurt before anyone will start enforcing rules. co2 tanks and n2 tanks are easy to check since the dates are clearly printed on the tanks but with propane no one will check it because the user doesn't need to go to an air table to recieve a fill and have their tank checked. i know i kinda jumped around in all directions in that post but there were a lot of things on my mind about the c3 and its gas source :)

[SlartyBartFast]

approximately 1316 shots off of one twelve gram.

Well, isn't butane pretty close to propane? Could the C# work on butane? If so....

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