Can mags compete?

[sol tank]

I';ve watched TIppmann effect roll over the competition at tournies with A-5's and 98C's. Since when was it that who ever had the fastest shooting gun is best?

[The Action Figure]

ok have you seen the boards in tippmann effect's guns? and ive played against trix's and shockers with mech cockers (which i find faster than mags, but cockers are far to complex) but i would never go into even a novice tournament with one.

[AzrealDarkmoonZ]

In a competitive game, I want the marker that is reliable, fast shooting and can lay streams if need be.

Given equal players I am going to want the guy with the Viking as opposed to the guy with the MicroRT.

Az

[Lohman446]

Speed is king, and you must be able to set ramping modes.

Funny, I've played on a national level without setting ramping modes on my Proto (stock board).

/Maybe thats why we lost?
//Ehh, probably not.

[FSU_Paintball]

Right. And even the NPPL still does not allow ramping. Ohhhhh--- woooo--- My X-Mag can't ramp... In any tournament, where ramping is not allowed, I can compete just as well as anyone else. I love it. X-Mags are from 2003 correct? OH GOSH! How can you be using something from 2003? Anyone bother to tell every Shocker sporting team they marker has changed since 2003? Actually my bad-- 'Milled' bodies add 7bps and +1 bps for every added model year.



I still say once you get into true high end markers, it falls to personal preference.
Says the man with a Tadaoed Viking sitting in his gearbag.

Your jackass sarcasm is appreciated.


Well, not really.


I could have sworn I said Xmags can compete. Fast software and a good trigger job will go a long ways with those.

I think that may be true in the top division, but 90% of us don't play there. Face it, in the rest of the divisions there are far greater areas we could address than our marker, all of the skill based.

You are so, so right when you say there's other areas we need to address besides the marker we use.

But the fact of the matter is, if you don't have a marker that is quite as well suited to the game as your opponent.... that's a disadvantage. Maybe not a big one, but it's there. And I disagree somewhat about the top division statement... it makes a difference no matter where you play. If you're more of a recballer you probably shouldn't care about that kind of stuff, but even if you're a D2 player I'd consider getting the nicest gun you can.

So yes, you can compete with some mags, but why would you willingly put a small disadvantage upon yourself? I personally take every advantage I can, and most mags aren't as good at the tournament level as what you can buy these days.

So yes, there's plenty of other stuff people need to work on MORE than deciding whether they should trade their E-mag for a Timmy... but it is still an area where you can get an edge on the competition if you've got a nicer setup than them.

[The Action Figure]

what national level have you played on?

[BigEvil]

The field I frequent discourages ramping. On straight semi, there is really no firepower difference from any other gun. A buddy of mine was using an Ego and when we both covered a lane we both shot about equally fast and both dumped a full Halo at about the same time.

If TAG ever gets the Predators out for the emag it will really level the field in regards to firepower. I would see no reason that you wouldnt be able to use a Predatored emag competatively unless you are stuck on using a 45/45 tank or have something against the rechargable battery.

[Lohman446]

what national level have you played on?

Owners group (doesn't count) PSP Chicago, and frankly some of the teams I played against when I travelled to a "local" Indianna event were as good or better than the teams I played against in PSP.

[FSU_Paintball]

I don't have a lot of national experience if you were asking me... PSP, some world cup, NCPA, etc. I practice with D1 and D2 players, but never played on any real good teams besides a really good local team.

All I'm saying is that it is an advantage, however slight, and I'll take whatever I can get. That's kinda hard to disagree with.

And please note, I did say that with the right upgrades and/or modifications E-mags and X-mags can compete.

BigEvil, my fields encourage ramping... there's a lot of very good D2 players (and a couple D1) around here who play PSP so we practice with ramping. So ramping is kinda important to have over here.

[GT]

My back players will always run electros, unless it is a mech or pump only tourney. Otherwise the mid, tape, fronts can run whatever the hell they want. I dont care as long as their first 3 shots land their mark.


FYI the only upgrade an emag needs from 2001 is 3.2 and an LvlX. That is what I would call a hell of an investment to be compatitve for nearly 6 years with the same gun. On the mech side there really is no difference bewteen a classic and a tourney legal RT. In essence your back players could be playing with 6 year old tech and your front guys could be running 15 year old setups and your team, all skills being equal, would be just as good today as they were then.


There are very few guns that can do that.

[sol tank]

ok have you seen the boards in tippmann effect's guns? and ive played against trix's and shockers with mech cockers (which i find faster than mags, but cockers are far to complex) but i would never go into even a novice tournament with one.

doesnt matter. that just makes their guns a bit more proficient. The cyclone feed is capped at 15bps...

[The Action Figure]

Owners group (doesn't count) PSP Chicago, and frankly some of the teams I played against when I travelled to a "local" Indianna event were as good or better than the teams I played against in PSP.

entering 1 national level tournament when its local doesnt count either id enter a national level event if one came within 6 hours of greenville

[The Action Figure]

doesnt matter. that just makes their guns a bit more proficient. The cyclone feed is capped at 15bps...

oh wait what the bps cap in most tournys?

Im all for mags and I hope they do succeed, but seriously

[Lohman446]

entering 1 national level tournament when its local doesnt count either id enter a national level event if one came within 6 hours of greenville

So you're an expert and your opinion counts more? Until you have a top-notch player go out in the situation with a mag and then say it cannot compete it is really speculation isn't it?
I gave you my opinion, with reasoning behind it, and explained the reasoning. Disagree fine, but you surely did not ask "Can mags compete on the top national level?"

[Arstron]

considering most tournaments have a 15 bps cap, why does everyone say a electronic automag can not compete? The original question was mags in general and a majority of the people saying that mags can not compete are using mech mags as an excuse. Give a electro mag a try.