PB Psychology 101

[WARPED1]

Let me start by saying mags are not a bad gun, they do not suck, I've owned 6 in my 16 year PB career.
The reason I believe people say "mags can't compete" or some variation, is purely psychological. AGD earned a reputation of being slow, heavy, HP, gas guzzling pieces that no one will use. And that stuck. Now, I do believe a mech mag can't compete in todays Xball/speedball world, but the E/X/Dmag could.
Most of the youth that makes up todays core demographic have never even heard of a mag. When they see one, they ask thier friends "whats that?", they reply "thats a mag, my dad had one. It's slow and heavy and chops alot. And the damn thing is high pressure!"
So, the kid goes back to his DM Whatever and forgets he ever saw a mag. Unless the kid is being introduced to the game from someone with years of experience who knows his stuff(me), or an old school AO faithful(some of you guys), he or she(she, yeah right!) will never experience shooting a mag of any sort.
So, the kids today see the pros using DMx's or Shockers or an E2 Karnivore, and they are led to believe that's the only good guns out there. It will never be changed, it's part of pb history that mags are slow, heavy, and chop alot(even though it's not true!

[master_alexander]

well, i have had many mags and 2 DM4's.

i currentley have my origonal mag and z grip, and sold both DM4's. z grips rocks. but i also have a shocker on the way. ill probably like it because its alot like my mag as far as size and the feel. its a freeflow with a limited edition vert frame.

i love mags. especally because my proshop is full of people who have been around mags forever.

[AGDlover]

I own and rock my emag as my main gun. lately I'll admit I've been trying some newer guns and so far after buying a new gun a little while back my mag has proven better. I believe if ppl gave mags a chanse with the preds comeing out and maybe some valve redesigning they can easily compete as good as any DM"fizzle" or G7(i'm pushing it with the g7) but ofcorse who knows when that will be.

[zackzel]

Yeah its kind of a shame the mag doesn't have more of a following but I'm not complaining about it. I don't mind being the only person at my field who uses mags, as well as other things. I am tired however of hearing people gripe about the lack of upgrades, I think there is plenty out there for the mags, I don't see the new predator boards are logic frames or anything like that making the mags main stream again but I think they are being produced to make the mag faithful have some more options which is nice.

With that being said like alot of people on here I have been playing paintball for 8 years now, the first gun I owned was a mag, and the mag is still the only constant gun in my gear bag. I have owned a few matrixes, AKA markers, angels, shockers, etc... and the only guns I have left are 3 mags and an angel g7. In the end its really personal preference though which has been covered several times. If every person coming into pb tried a well setup mag weather it be mechanical or E/X mag I think that alot more people would be using them. I'm not saying everyone would like them, but I think a fair share would. Its to bad that the little kiddies have the mags suck attitude, but I almost like it that way. Oh and Merry Christmas everyone.

[WARPED1]

Mags are definately a niche market, the only people to use them are the few thousand here, and a couple of thier friends and the few old schoolers. When tom makes his new gun, I hope it's a totally new gun, with no references to the mag. No exposed valve etcetera.

[sicone]

id like to see a lp operating system for a mag if a new gun were made and not linked to a mag at al it would be a sin imo

[etjoyride]

I am lucky. My home field's(the main one there is another that i frequent) gun techs(2) is amazing with mags, they have been around them since they came out. 80% of people at my field will recognize any mag(except maybe a D/pneu mag) for what it is.

[WARPED1]

id like to see a lp operating system for a mag if a new gun were made and not linked to a mag at al it would be a sin imo

A sin to you AO faithful, but the other huge percentage of players would see mag on it and not buy it, making no money for Tom, or just a little money.

[WARPED1]

Warped1 at it again

Let's see....No exposed valve? Sounds like a shocker...what a surprise

You better hope his new gun has no reference to a mag....otherwise it would look like a shocker....but actually work

Merry X-mas

God damn it! Stop friggin looking for a fight! This was a posative statement! An honest opinion of why the mags have no home in modern paintball! Go flame someone else! Try reading the very first sentance of my first post.
I've owned many Shockers, one from pre production. Guess how many broke down? NONE. Same with the 6 mags I owned. One leaked, but it was the LX kit not adjusted or broken in yet. Simple fix.
And I thought RF was one of the intelligent AO'ers. There was no malice in this post, no fighting until you came around. This was a nice discussion on the mag, well nice until you posted. Now please don't reply again.

[MarkM]

God damn it! Stop friggin looking for a fight! This was a posative statement! An honest opinion of why the mags have no home in modern paintball! Go flame someone else! Try reading the very first sentance of my first post.
I've owned many Shockers, one from pre production. Guess how many broke down? NONE. Same with the 6 mags I owned. One leaked, but it was the LX kit not adjusted or broken in yet. Simple fix.

As an English major it would be nice if you could reply with a more eloquent response. Plus of course fully spell-checked...only using your own arguement against you

If the thought of 'Mag's (in any form) are so disasteful to you then why do you still continue to frequent these boards.

I do not wish to have to babysit threads you take part in so curb your thoughts and refrain from typing UNLESS you have a sensible well thought through statement. You might argue that your above statements are well thought out. No, they are not, if they were then you wouldn't be surprised and react the way you have done on numerous other occasions.
I now play with an Angel and do you see me bashing 'Mag's, I chose to go another route for my own reasons. Performance in the way in which I wanted it to be was the major factor and it was a few other markers before I got to the Angel. I actually played with a 'Mag a couple of months ago and had a big smile on my face.

I notice you hit the edit button as I quoted you...I know what you typed the first time.

God damn it! Stop friggin looking for a fight! This was a posative statement! An honest opinion of why the mags have no home in modern paintball! Go flame someone else! Try reading the very first sentance of my first post, Moron.............

As for demands...demand all you want, for now I am not listening...behave more responsibly and perhaps that will change.

[WARPED1]

I'm not here to start trouble! You, my friend, are the one who started trouble. There were no hidden meanings, or slights, or insults. You are a frigging idiot reading into something because my opinion is differen't than yours! Go away, stay the hell out of my thread. If you don't like what I have to say, you can put me on your ignore list, in fact, I insist on it.
I really am looking forward to Toms new marker, which he hints that he's working on. I wonder if it will be a scenario marker or not? An MP5 looking marker with a stock and those tactical rails for like night vision scopes. I used to see a ton of those night vision scopes in the 24 hour games at Skirmish I played every year.

[onedude36]

Nothing new.

[WARPED1]

Nothing new.

I hope it's new. A complete overhaul. New body, integrated valve, etcetera.
I doubt TK would go LP(no big deal to me), he's made his feelings on the LP myths known in past threads!

[mag-owner]

hey guys, relax its christmas

[SpitFire1299]

hehe.. nice "rant" you could call it, but i think its pretty true.

Not because of me, but because of my mag.. my whole team is getting mags.