paintball on espn

[evildead420]

been enjoying these on tv recently, they need to keep doing this.

[jenarelJAM]

I thought that the show was pretty good over all. It could use a tweak here and there, but hopefully those will come with future event . While the cheating was not a great thing for the uninitiated to witness, I thought it was great when the ref cought one player wiping and actually enforced the penalty- pulling the player and two others out and thereby ending the game. It's nice to see the bad guys get cought and to see refs enforcing the rules.

Actually he pulled 3 other people out :P
It was 4v4, one guy was shot and tried to wipe, and he ended the game for his team right there.

[jenarelJAM]

Awesome second show, although some of the field shots had a little bit of glare. I didn't realize they did 1on1's for tiebreakers, that was a fun twist.

And Dynasty is just too good... It's not fun watching them wipe the field in 2 minutes and having their game over in the first 6 minutes, while the other 3 games take the rest of the hour.

[slateman]

Great camera work by ESPN. Solid job, they did their homework and it shoes. Glad this worked out.

I am slightly concerned by the commentary. Guy keeps saying "getting a kill" when I think he should be calling it an elimination.

[BigEvil]

I am slightly concerned by the commentary. Guy keeps saying "getting a kill" when I think he should be calling it an elimination.

Paintball is NOT pc by its very nature. We "SHOOT" "GUNS". The industry can sterilize it all it wants and its not going to change anything - and it really shouldnt matter. People are not stupid, and many get offended when they realize they are being fed that PC BS.

Everyone should be as concerened about the blatant cheating, bad attitudes, and vulgarity. (I cant believe I just said that, I must be getting old)


I thought ESPN did a good job keeping the views informed and somewhat interested. There is only so much they can do with what they have to work with. I dont think paintball is a viewer-friendly game anyhow.

[Aslan]

I saw it

I watched it. I didn't like it very much. Speedball ain't my type of thing and I thought the annoucncers were stupid. One guy was explaining how a paintball marker works and mae like two mistakes...I think he said you adjust the velocity with the regulator. And then he said that it has a double trigger so it can shoot faster. Well, that's not entirely true either. He was pretty much describing how you could walk it as if it was a rocking trigger, but it wasn't.

I watched a few games...it was nice seeing paintball on TV...but I didn't really like it that much. There was alot less strategy involved than I thought there would be at that level. It "seemed" like they were just trying to have a guy make it to the 50 as soon as possible to hold down the field. There was also one game where one guy was left on one team and he defeated 3 guys. It just seems that if you have a 3 on 1...and you're a "pro" team...that should never happen.

As to the cheating thing...if that guy said that...then shame on him. Cheating is one of the biggest things that could possibly ruin the sport. Look at laser tag. It was big for like 6 months...then people realized they could cheat by covering up the sensors and it was too dark for the refs to notice. Boom...down it went. Nobody wants to play a sport when the difference between then winning and losing is how well they cheat. Yes, cheating exists in every sport...but in nearly every sport...rarely is cheating the difference between winning and losing. Players cheat in a pile, cork a bat, kick in a puck, try to hold someone...but it's a "play"...one of many in the game. In paintball, if the goal is to eliminate 5 players...and one gets hit, wipes, and keeps playing...then goes on to get two people out...that's a massive effect on that game.

For those that say cheating is part of the game, get used to it. Then I say take it one step further. Make it part of the rules. If it's so common to wipe, just allow it. Start using reballs...easier to clean up anyway.

[magsRus]

I watched it. I didn't like it very much. Speedball ain't my type of thing and I thought the annoucncers were stupid. One guy was explaining how a paintball marker works and mae like two mistakes...I think he said you adjust the velocity with the regulator. And then he said that it has a double trigger so it can shoot faster. Well, that's not entirely true either. He was pretty much describing how you could walk it as if it was a rocking trigger, but it wasn't.

I watched a few games...it was nice seeing paintball on TV...but I didn't really like it that much. There was alot less strategy involved than I thought there would be at that level. It "seemed" like they were just trying to have a guy make it to the 50 as soon as possible to hold down the field. There was also one game where one guy was left on one team and he defeated 3 guys. It just seems that if you have a 3 on 1...and you're a "pro" team...that should never happen.

As to the cheating thing...if that guy said that...then shame on him. Cheating is one of the biggest things that could possibly ruin the sport. Look at laser tag. It was big for like 6 months...then people realized they could cheat by covering up the sensors and it was too dark for the refs to notice. Boom...down it went. Nobody wants to play a sport when the difference between then winning and losing is how well they cheat. Yes, cheating exists in every sport...but in nearly every sport...rarely is cheating the difference between winning and losing. Players cheat in a pile, cork a bat, kick in a puck, try to hold someone...but it's a "play"...one of many in the game. In paintball, if the goal is to eliminate 5 players...and one gets hit, wipes, and keeps playing...then goes on to get two people out...that's a massive effect on that game.

For those that say cheating is part of the game, get used to it. Then I say take it one step further. Make it part of the rules. If it's so common to wipe, just allow it. Start using reballs...easier to clean up anyway.

Double triggers do allow you to shoot faster then a single trigger its using two fingers compared to one. You use a walking pattern, right when one finger hits the trigger your other finger is following it.

Also on some markers you do adjust the velicoty by the regulator.

I can obviously tell speedball isnt your thing just like you stated, because you dont think any strategy was involved in those games you were watching. For one a team spends a huge amount of time walking the fields prior to the game and looking for shooting lanes and angles. Some and most pro teams even draw out sketches of the field with what each player will be doing at the time. Each team usually rushed a guy to the carwash *big bunker at the 50* off the break because that guy wont allow anyone to run up their snake. 3 guys against 1? It's paintball not everything goes the way you want even if your a oro or Jesus Christ and your playing it.

You did however competely redeem yourself with that cheating speech of yours.

[Aslan]

Double triggers do allow you to shoot faster then a single trigger its using two fingers compared to one. You use a walking pattern, right when one finger hits the trigger your other finger is following it.

I still disagree. Just slapping a double trigger on a gun doesn't allow you to pull it any faster. I suppose you could fan a double trigger...I guess that would make it faster. It just seemed stupid the way the guy said it. Now everynewb is going to see a BE Marauder and think it's "fast" because some tard on ESPN says double trigger make a gun fast.

Also on some markers you do adjust the velicoty by the regulator.

Hmm. I did not know that. I thought all velocity adjustment was ultimately done by adjusting some type of velocity adjustment screw or knob. I didn't think adjusting a regulator could give you the fine enough adjustment.

I can obviously tell speedball isnt your thing just like you stated, because you dont think any strategy was involved in those games you were watching. For one a team spends a huge amount of time walking the fields prior to the game and looking for shooting lanes and angles. Some and most pro teams even draw out sketches of the field with what each player will be doing at the time. Each team usually rushed a guy to the carwash *big bunker at the 50* off the break because that guy wont allow anyone to run up their snake. 3 guys against 1? It's paintball not everything goes the way you want even if your a oro or Jesus Christ and your playing it.

It just seemed alot more random. I didn't see teams trying to get in any specific formations or regroup or try to rush one side of the field...I didn't see anything different game to game. Each game was the same...they break...the back men stay back...the others run forward...then they just shoot around...try to move up. I guess I'm used to woodsball where there's more emphasis on flanking and containing the opposition.

You did however competely redeem yourself with that cheating speech of yours.

Well...there's one vote. Now I can wait for the flames to follow.

[magsRus]

Dont worry this isnt pbnation people here are cool those were just my feelings

[Cow hunter]

I still disagree. Just slapping a double trigger on a gun doesn't allow you to pull it any faster. I suppose you could fan a double trigger...I guess that would make it faster. It just seemed stupid the way the guy said it. Now everynewb is going to see a BE Marauder and think it's "fast" because some tard on ESPN says double trigger make a gun fast.

id like to see someone shoot an electronic single as fast as an electronic double in true semi

Hmm. I did not know that. I thought all velocity adjustment was ultimately done by adjusting some type of velocity adjustment screw or knob. I didn't think adjusting a regulator could give you the fine enough adjustment.

well, technically you can adjust the velocity from the reg, its not unheard of, but it is far from precise

[BD_Paintball]

alot of guns adjust the velocity from the HPR. look at all teh dm's and pm's. its pretty precise for my pm5. +- 2 over the chrono

[slateman]

I still disagree. Just slapping a double trigger on a gun doesn't allow you to pull it any faster. I suppose you could fan a double trigger...I guess that would make it faster. It just seemed stupid the way the guy said it. Now everynewb is going to see a BE Marauder and think it's "fast" because some tard on ESPN says double trigger make a gun fast.

You shoot an electronic double trigger alternating taping the top of the trigger with your index finger and then the bottom of the trigger with your middle finger. Its called walking the trigger. Not only is it faster than fanning, but it jars the gun less, making the shooter more accuarte.

Hmm. I did not know that. I thought all velocity adjustment was ultimately done by adjusting some type of velocity adjustment screw or knob. I didn't think adjusting a regulator could give you the fine enough adjustment.

Well you can adjust the velocity by the screw in the regulator Even on a mag, the rear is the regulator.

It just seemed alot more random. I didn't see teams trying to get in any specific formations or regroup or try to rush one side of the field...I didn't see anything different game to game. Each game was the same...they break...the back men stay back...the others run forward...then they just shoot around...try to move up. I guess I'm used to woodsball where there's more emphasis on flanking and containing the opposition.

All about the angles. You try to get one section. Its a faster paced game and I think thats what people like about it. I cant stand playing slow woodsball. So boring just sitting behind a tree waiting.

[Aslan]

walkability

You shoot an electronic double trigger alternating taping the top of the trigger with your index finger and then the bottom of the trigger with your middle finger. Its called walking the trigger. Not only is it faster than fanning, but it jars the gun less, making the shooter more accuarte.

Well, now you're talking about a rocking trigger...not a double trigger. Maybe it's also possible to do with a standard double trigger...I don't know. I would think the reactivity on the standard double trigger would have to be really good.

Of the guns I have that have double triggers, they aren't walkable. The Rebel trigger won't come back fast enough for the forefinger to fire it again.

Even on my only electro (Prodigy)...when I've tried to walk it...it doesn't really work...probably because the stock board is limited to like 7bps and if I walk it I'm going above that...but I don't want to dump $120 into a Morlock board just to test it's walkability.

I just put an Intelliframe on my Classic Mag...but I'm pretty sure if I try to walk that I'll short stroke like a madman. Same with the new hinge frame I put on my Cocker...I haven't got that one put together yet...but it seems like I'd short stroke.

So either:
A) By double trigger you mean rocking trigger.
B) Walking a double trigger is far easier on a high end electro.
C) I have not yet grasped the "trick" to walking any gun with a double trigger.

And no matter which one it is...I still want to see somebody walk an Eradicator. That'll take some strong fingerin.

[Arstron]

B) Walking a double trigger is far easier on a high end electro.

Some double triggers do take work to make them walkable. On most spyders/clones its as easy as switching the stock 250gram microswitch with a -100 gram microswitch (I like the 80g switches). I was able to walk my stock electronic spyder, but when you can get a lighter switch and use a lot less effort it makes things a lot easier. Making the trigger comfortable to you is the key though.

[sbpyro]

I cant stand playing slow woodsball. So boring just sitting behind a tree waiting.

I just couldn't agree with that statement at all.
In woodsball if you are just hiding behind the bunker then it is definately no fun.
When I play woodsball, we usually create a skirmish line and flank along the sides.
It may not be as fast paced as speedball but when you have 5 guys moving and 5 more providing covering fire it is a decent paced game. Played one game (bout 50 vs 50) where the majority of the other group decided it would be in their best interest to defend a huge "fort" 2 levels and all. So after we cleaned out the village of their players we had them surrounded in their little piece of safe haven. Lets just say we had to cease shooting in to let them out of their fort. And then when there were about 5 ppl left about 20 of us charged them. It was fun and well paced. Paintball is paintball usually the side that communicates and moves better will win.