why does everone know angels?

[Cow hunter]

For those people being critical of Angels, consider the apparently effective marketing done by WDP since their inception. Not only did they have a very reliable first entry into the hot emerging electropneumatic back in the day, but they coupled it with a sexy image, winning sponsored teams, and an "elite" price tag to heighten the allure.

You can knock the product now in hindsight, though they still produce competive markers, but the marketing for paintball products was truely revolutionary. Some other manufacturers *cough* choose not to emulate WDP and evidence the results. How many outsiders or even insiders today can identify a mag by sight?

i have nothing against angels, i see them to br excellent markers and i intended this thread to awnser why everyone knows them, and if they're so well known why arent they like SP, a huge commercial paintball giant. but to those who are posting for the purpose of criticizing them, just dont

How many outsiders or even insiders today can identify a mag by sight?

as for that, many. you either know mags, or you dont. if you know them, spotting them is the easiest thing in the world as they are so unique. but there the majority that have never seen mags because they havent been around for long enough

[snoopay700]

For those people being critical of Angels, consider the apparently effective marketing done by WDP since their inception. Not only did they have a very reliable first entry into the hot emerging electropneumatic back in the day, but they coupled it with a sexy image, winning sponsored teams, and an "elite" price tag to heighten the allure.

You can knock the product now in hindsight, though they still produce competive markers, but the marketing for paintball products was truely revolutionary. When non-players show positive name recognition, you have done something right! Some other manufacturers *cough* choose not to emulate WDP and evidence the results. How many outsiders or even insiders today can identify a mag by sight?

Those that aren't ignorant, or those who are just into it. Not many people know of them and think they're shockers, then when they find out it's a mag they htink it's crap, then they get proven wrong.

[RusskiX]

but there the majority that have never seen mags because they havent been around for long enough

No offense, but mags are significantly older in the paintball evolutionary tree than Angels.

As to why WDP isn't as big as say SP...competition and even better marketing
Its like all marketing; new products come and the fickle buying public (especially pb players!) wants novelty.

I'm not endorsing any product over another, we all have preferences. This was just an example of the power of marketing to get your name out.

[Cow hunter]

No offense, but mags are significantly older in the paintball evolutionary tree than Angels.

you missunderstand, the mags have been around since...... forever...... and the players who dont know it havent been around long enough to see it when it was a hugely known gun

[master_alexander]

yea... when i started playing a few years ago all i heard was get an angel- the supergun. i had n clue. it sounded heavenly though... lol...

now i like mags, shockers, and vikings. woot.

[68magOwner]

http://www.odysseypaintball.com/halovideos.html

Then.

....because there arnt any vids of angels doing ungogly high rates of fire anywhere If nothing else, i have seen paint shot faster through an angel (in person) than any other marker to date (including my vikings, every model of matrix out to date, with the exception of the early mechanical ones, all generations of intimidator, ect) on non-legal modes, i just havent seen anything get paint from the loader, out of the barrel as fast as the angel. Something i cant really explain, seems that markers with similar cycling speeds, same hopper, on same non-legal modes should shoot as fast or faster, but, dosent seem to be the case for whatever reason.


Anyway, my entire team is currently shooting 06 speeds (WDP sponsored) and we do get approached by alot of newer players awed by the fact that we have angels. Really, i dont know why all newer players think they are the end all be all of paintball markers, but, i do remember it that way when i first started balling, i remember mags, cockers, and angles being the guns to have. I guess 1/3 of it stayed that way for new players. Angels today are still outstanding markers, but, nothing to date can be defined as "the best" marker ever.

[RusskiX]

Gotcha! I misread the statement, but that's much clearer.

you missunderstand, the mags have been around since...... forever...... and the players who dont know it havent been around long enough to see it when it was a hugely known gun

[Cow hunter]

....because there arnt any vids of angels doing ungogly high rates of fire anywhere If nothing else, i have seen paint shot faster through an angel (in person) than any other marker to date (including my vikings, every model of matrix out to date, with the exception of the early mechanical ones, all generations of intimidator, ect) on non-legal modes, i just havent seen anything get paint from the loader, out of the barrel as fast as the angel. Something i cant really explain, seems that markers with similar cycling speeds, same hopper, on same non-legal modes should shoot as fast or faster, but, dosent seem to be the case for whatever reason..

i disagree........ whats the fastest anything can shoot paint? remember zak vetter? he showed a mag doing 34bps and a viking even faster 36 i belive...... i dont know but i dont think the angel is THAT fast, or maybe it is? but from actual conclusive proof i hvae to say the fastest guns are the mag and the viking......unless anyone has proof of an angel doing these insane speeds too......

[camilion705]

Is the definition of the best gun solely based on fire rates? I think not! If it shoots past 15 bps thats too fast in my opinion! Actually anything over 12, no 10. yeah 10 is good.

[snoopay700]

i disagree........ whats the fastest anything can shoot paint? remember zak vetter? he showed a mag doing 34bps and a viking even faster 36 i belive...... i dont know but i dont think the angel is THAT fast, or maybe it is? but from actual conclusive proof i hvae to say the fastest guns are the mag and the viking......unless anyone has proof of an angel doing these insane speeds too......

When did he have a viking do 36? I never saw that on his site, only a mech mag doing 34.5 (what he said). Anyway, that's the fastest i've seen a gun shoot. Also, if you're playing straight semi (like anyone with balls does) you won't pass 16 bps most likely, most people find it hard to get 15, so it doesn't matter. The rt valve for a mag can cycle 43 times per second, but no loader has gotten that fast and no electric trigger or mech bounce can go that fast, that's just to be sure you don't get shootdown.

[68magOwner]

i disagree........ whats the fastest anything can shoot paint? remember zak vetter? he showed a mag doing 34bps and a viking even faster 36 i belive...... i dont know but i dont think the angel is THAT fast, or maybe it is? but from actual conclusive proof i hvae to say the fastest guns are the mag and the viking......unless anyone has proof of an angel doing these insane speeds too......

Way to COMPLETLEY skip over the whole "in person" part of that statement. I understand that under extreme circumstances, other markers (viking and mag) can acheive higher rates of fire, but, once again, i say, IN PERSON, i have used many mags, vikings, angels, trixes, timmys, everything else, and the angels just seem to shoot the fastest for whatever reason in illegal modes, mabey it has something to do with the placement of the eyes in the breech? but, that dosent matter, bottom line is, walk up to your average marker setup, put both on uncapped ramp, and, most of the time, the angel will empty the hopper faster.

Now, does that make it a better marker than any other? NO, not in the least, just stating an observation, as un-scientific as it may be.

[tyrion2323]

Yeah, it's hype. comparing an angel and an emag, the emag outperformed it by a lot.

You're misinterpreting the videos. They say nothing about performance, only the FEED RATE. Feed Rates are determined by the HALO speed. Couple that with the fact that back then Angels didn't have eyes...

I'd wager an new angel versus an xmag anyday. They're both going to perform extremely well, but the Angel will pull out ahead in terms of speed, has nicer features, and will weigh less.

I'd probably still take the XMAG solely because they're super badass, but I would have eyes put into it...

[snoopay700]

You're misinterpreting the videos. They say nothing about performance, only the FEED RATE. Feed Rates are determined by the HALO speed. Couple that with the fact that back then Angels didn't have eyes...

I'd wager an new angel versus an xmag anyday. They're both going to perform extremely well, but the Angel will pull out ahead in terms of speed, has nicer features, and will weigh less.

I'd probably still take the XMAG solely because they're super badass, but I would have eyes put into it...

Haha, the x-mag has a level 10 and an anti chop eye in the bottom of the breech, which seems redundant with the level 10, but it's still there. Getting more eyes put in would be useless with an x-mag, but not an emag.

[slade]

Haha, the x-mag has a level 10 and an anti chop eye in the bottom of the breech, which seems redundant with the level 10, but it's still there. Getting more eyes put in would be useless with an x-mag, but not an emag.

eyes are better than L10, even IF you get it tuned correctly. and breakbeam is better than reflective.

[tyrion2323]

Haha, the x-mag has a level 10 and an anti chop eye in the bottom of the breech, which seems redundant with the level 10, but it's still there. Getting more eyes put in would be useless with an x-mag, but not an emag.

#1 - eyes are better than L10. They maintain better speed, don't suck as much efficiency, and are an active anti-chop mechanism instead of defensive.

#2 - The XMag has an infrared eye, while breakbeam eyes are clearly better. I would put breakbeam eyes in it.

#3 - Don't tell me things I know. I remember when all three of the above mentioned guns (angels, emags and xmags) were first released. Believe me, I am aware of their tech specs.