new ATF ruling on PB silencers

[craltal]

http://www.atf.gov/alcohol/info/revr...ling2005-4.pdf

[geekwarrior]

so they're legal as long as they are fixed to the barrel?

[craltal]

[SlartyBartFast]

so they're legal as long as they are fixed to the barrel?

Actually, the document says the barrel was welded to the paintball gun.

Does the document apply to removable barrels? Becasue removing the barrel is what the ATF determined to be "making a silencer".

[craltal]

I'd imagine that the company that brought about the examination (and supplied the sample) was endgame:

http://www.endgameinc.com/Paintball-Products/Compression-Barrels.asp

That would imply that removing barrels from the PB gun are fine, just not the silencer from the barrel. Also at the end it states that any manipulation of said barrel will constitute a violation

[paullus99]

Doesn't really change much from the old rules.

[Doc Nickel]

No, silencers, even permanently attached to a removable barrel, are still illegal.

Note the wording in the PDF: It was fine when welded and nonremovable from the marker itself, but illegal when hacksawed off.

Nothing's changed, no law has been altered. It's just in this one situation, somebody apparently figured out a loophole by permanently attaching the silencer to the body of the gun. This is only a ruling on one specific silencer design on one specific marker.

Doc.

[MoeMag]

expel a projectile by
the action of an explosive

What about the tippy c3? That thing burns propane.

[siloseven]

No, silencers, even permanently attached to a removable barrel, are still illegal.

Note the wording in the PDF: It was fine when welded and nonremovable from the marker itself, but illegal when hacksawed off.

Nothing's changed, no law has been altered. It's just in this one situation, somebody apparently figured out a loophole by permanently attaching the silencer to the body of the gun. This is only a ruling on one specific silencer design on one specific marker.

Doc.

But I thoght part of that stament thingie stated that PAintball markers are not Firearms, so their for excluded from that clause. or maybe I am thinking somthing else. I can't think of a way that having a "silencer" welded to a paintball barrel can be used on a firearm and still work on a paintball marker.

they need to have collage classes for the avrage people to learn how to speak Lawyer and politition, or make it manditory for Lawyers and polititions to speak common English in laymanns terms. We need a translater or a few hundred posts to figure out what their saying most the time.

[VFX_Fenix]

I'd imagine that the company that brought about the examination (and supplied the sample) was endgame:

http://www.endgameinc.com/Paintball-Products/Compression-Barrels.asp

That would imply that removing barrels from the PB gun are fine, just not the silencer from the barrel. Also at the end it states that any manipulation of said barrel will constitute a violation

The BATF Actually tested Endgame's barrel and found that the barrel itself had no significant suppression qualities, and as Doc said, if you can remove it from the gun, it's still illegal. So those of you hoarding your BOA Consealer barrels, keep hidin' 'em, they're still fair game for the feds to snatch.

This ruling isn't all that suprising since an air rifle company called "AirForce" has sold pellet guns here in the states which have integral sound supressors for a number of years.

I can't think of a way that having a "silencer" welded to a paintball barrel can be used on a firearm and still work on a paintball marker.

Remove barrel of paintabll gun, slide barrel of paintball gun over barrel of firearm with either a stop or a threaded adapter on the barrel of the recieving firearm. Instant FIrearm silencer from a paintball barrel with perminently attached silencer.

[Army]

What about the tippy c3? That thing burns propane.

ATF does not consider propane to be an explosive. Legal to use.

[Hexis]

That looks pretty specific to me, the paintball gun, not all. Thogh it would suggest that any paintball gun powered by HPA or CO2 would not be considered a firearm, but that has not ben legally tested yet.

[FSU_Paintball]

Hi craig

[Target Practice]

Here's a question...

Who gives a good goddamn?! I mean really, do you people honestly think that the BATFE hads nothing better to do than hang out at your backwoods crapeating field and bust you for having a PAINTBALL SILENCER?

Jesus.

Edit: I mean, seriously guys.

[VFX_Fenix]

We do care because some people REALLY want their silencer on thier paintball gun and look for loopholes that just aren't there.

The document states that a particular paintball gun is not a firearm, paintball guns in general (as well as air rifles) are not considered firearms by the BATF which is why there aren't the legal and paper work issues surrounding them and why people without an FFL can sell them.

The issue is that silencers which can be used on a paintball gun CAN also be used on a Firearm. This clarification, if you will, simply is saying that if your silencer is intergal and CANNOT be removed from the marker in any way shape or form then it's okay. It's like if you had a BOA Consealer and JB welded the barrel onto your Autococker.

The BATF doesn't care what the intended use of any silencer is, they only care that it works, and if it works and can be moved around functionally from gun to gun, then it's a Firearm Silencer, period, end of story.