Smacking Paint with SuperBolt

[HyperSnyper]

Hey Guys,
I got another question about the Superbolt I just came up with after my Superbolt Dwell Post. With the lighter weight of the Superbolt, wouldnt it accelerate faster?

By acclerating faster, then by the time it collides with the paint, it would be at an abnormally higher speed than normal.

Think about it...

Since the SB acclerates faster vs the Stainless Bolt, by the time both bolts impact the paint, the Superbolt will have a higher collision speed vs the Stainless Bolts speed upon impact.

Let me know your everyone's thoughts. Or am I just too bored right now?

-Hyper

[Aliens-8-MyDad]

if ya turned down the velocity it would fix it... right?

[slushee]

well, I may not be a member of Deep Blue, but this is a question i wouldn't mind hearing an answer to. It does seem to me to be a very valid question. I mean, if the bolt can load the paintball and recock faster (resulting in a longer breech opening time), wouldn't that mean that the bolt itself would have to be accelorating faster in both directions? I don't really know how this would affect (or is it effect??) the physical impact of the paintball by the bolt, but it is something that could be quite feasible.

.. just my two cents

[Puckz]

The bolt is also hitting the ball with less force because it weighs less, the actual force may be very close to the same as a stainless bolt. I can't remember the equation off hand and I just got home from the bar so I won't go any further with it.

[ciaran.mooney]

Once you turn down the velocity it will hit that paint at the same speed, it will re-cock faster because the spring can throw it back quicker because its lighter.

[shartley]

The bolt is also hitting the ball with less force because it weighs less, the actual force may be very close to the same as a stainless bolt.

Once you turn down the velocity it will hit that paint at the same speed, it will re-cock faster because the spring can throw it back quicker because its lighter.

BINGO!

[ciaran.mooney]

And thats without knowing any complicated equations!

[Butterfingers]

Ahh the answer...

KE= 1/2mv^2

KE doubles with mass but quadruples with speed.

Everything is still highly speculative, for all we know the SB may hit the ball with the same force.

swing a sledgehammer at a watermellon as hard as you can, then swing a plastic sledgehammer toy at the watermellon as hard as you can.

Given the same force you can swing the plastic sledge alot faster but which one does more damage?

Im not saying that this is the case cut and dry, that would require mass and velocity figures.

On the same topic but on the flip side a 53 grain .223 remington traveling at 3000fps has more energy than a 230 grain .45 cal traveling at 900fps

In order to determine how much energy is transfered to the ball more information is needed.

[Sledgehammer]

Hey Butterfingers why would you want to swing me at a watermellon???

[MagMan5446]

Originally posted by Sledgehammer
Hey Butterfingers why would you want to swing me at a watermellon???

I don't know why I found this so funny, but gawddamn I couldn't stop laughing...

[Puckz]

Shartley read what butterfingers said.

Also think of it this way. You can throw a tennis ball at someones nuts... then a throw a baseball at someones nuts at half the speed. Which will hurt more?

[Bad Dave]

My understanding of mags and RTs is that the bolt does not hit the ball, it merely pushes it into the breech, as such the superbolt may accelerate the ball faster than other guns, what effect this has is uncertain.

[diehard]

Basic Physics... Total Force = Mass X Speed

Therefore if you reduce one of the componants on the right side of the equation, you reduce the total on the left.

Put in some simple numbers to see how it works

f = ms

9 = 3X3

Reduce mass: 6 = 2X3

You reduced force from 9 to 6 just by reducing mass from 3 to 2.

Now increase speed by the same factor (in this case 1)

8 = 2X4

You are at approx. the same force you started with. You've effectively increased speed of the bolt without smashing your ball any more than usual. Mass and speed are directly proportional when it comes to force. You change either one and it directly effects your force in the same fashion.

Thats a real simple way to put it. But that's because I am a simple man!

[shartley]

[Bwaites]

Physics 101

In actuality, the bolt has to strike the ball at the same force level to get the ball to accelerate to 300 FPS.

So the advantage in the Superbolt is not in the speed it reaches the ball, but in the speed it resets, which is the reason less recoil is felt. Diehard's explanantion of physics points out that to achieve the same acceleration with a lighter mass, a higher initial velocity has to be achieved, but the difference in mass in relation to the paintball, which is also being accelerated by the gas surrounding it, is actually quite small.

I suspect that the complaints of more ball breakage have more to do with the paint and perhaps the length of the bolt than with bolt speed, though shape of the bolt nose could also play a part.

In other words:

If F is equal to the force required to accelerate the ball to 300 FPS and M1 is equal to the mass of a Stainless bolt and M2 is equal to mass of a Superbolt then the velocity will be different but the total force on the ball will be the same.

F=M1 x Velocity1 which equals F=M2 x Velocity2 or

M1 x Velocity1 = M2 x Velocity2

Hope that works, and Tom if I am wrong, please correct me.

Bill