The U.S. Military, abuse & paintball :(

[Carbon]

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/19/in...rtner=homepage

[grEnAlEins]

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/19/in...rtner=homepage

That is unfortunate

[Carbon]

horrible as it is, i cant help snicker at the cynical "no blood no foul" slogan.

[Pyroboy597]

This is what gives the sport and the USA a bad name. Now Europe is going to think that we are all not only hicks, but hicks who torture people with paintball guns -_-

[Carbon]

to be quite honest, this is hardly a blip on the radar in mainstream public-to-paintball relations. I think for the most part people are still concerned with waterboarding.

[Lohman446]

I saw less concern over the televised beheading of civilians. Although the presence of secret prisons and torture chambers in the new Iraq alarms me greatly, I really don't feel bad for our enemies.

Not to turn this political, but I did not see a calling for the banning of dogs after it was revealed that they were used to "interogate" individuals. I just think that the American public is smart enough to seperate an act of torture from the device that was used.

[Recon by Fire]

NY Times can kiss my behind How about printing some names and determined proof instead unamed sources and allegations. Proof not words. I operated in the BIAP area and "red lined" suspects for the CIA...I never saw any paintball markers. Where the hell would they get them from? Ever try storing paintballs when it is over 140 degrees out? Where would the air come from? Believe me I tried scrounging for some ways to get some paintball going there and did not succeed.

[Army]

Hidden secret cells, super top secret program, un-named secret sources, super secret intel guys. That's a lot of super secret stuff for a pair of "reporters" that have never been there.

Yeah, real credible reporting.

[jenarelJAM]

This is why I hate Bush... his stupid little war is.... gaa. I just hate him.

(sorry for the political opinion)

[dahoeb]

wow....i can always count on NY times for some ooh-rah motivating reporting. like army and recon by fire said, its really cool how they ALWAYS seem to have an un-named or anonymous source. i honostly feel no pity for any of what the insurgents get.

they lop of heads of humanitarian workers with swords, and next week its completely forgotten. but when "get shot with a pball gun" according the these random sources, NY Times is more than happy to slap it in their paper. and i'll bet they'll run with that article for weeks.
psshh if a unit i'm with heads over there, i sure wouldn't be wasting time shooting them with paintball guns. theres a lot worse things in the world happening, than supposedly torturing the enemy with paintball markers.

sorry for sounding redundant...just gotta vent.

This is why I hate Bush... his stupid little war is.... gaa. I just hate him.

(sorry for the political opinion)

this really isn't the place for a hard political post like that. theres people in here who've sacrificed a lot for that war and probably don't appreciate you calling what theyve off and done their duty for "gaa". i respect those that disagree with the war, but at least have the character to dignify it with a valid excuse instead of "gaa".

[bentothejam1n]

This is why I hate Bush... his stupid little war is.... gaa. I just hate him.

(sorry for the political opinion)

Why do you hate him?? Because of some article in the NY Times?? NY times isn't the most credible source for political articles. If you have talked to someone who has been over to A-ghan or Iraq, they probably told you it was needed. I have two family members in the military. One is my uncle who has been in the army for around 20 years and is a Command Sergeant Major. The second one is my brother who just completed the marine school of recon and will be going over to Iraq in September. You should be getting your views about the war from people like that, rather than some far left NY times reporter that gets paid to make up BS
Back on topic now. I cant say I lose any sleep about this... I mean after reading some of the stories written by former American POWs in Desert storm, it only seems just to them
/Not a flame
//If that doesnt make any sense its because I'm really tired

[ThePixelGuru]

NY Times can kiss my behind How about printing some names and determined proof instead unamed sources and allegations. Proof not words. I operated in the BIAP area and "red lined" suspects for the CIA...I never saw any paintball markers. Where the hell would they get them from? Ever try storing paintballs when it is over 140 degrees out? Where would the air come from? Believe me I tried scrounging for some ways to get some paintball going there and did not succeed.

Nevermind the whole "No Blood No Foul" thing. Paintballs draw blood...

[Ratt]

Now, I am not a supply-weenie, but I would have to imagine: If I were in Iraq, and I was CIA, Ranger, Marine, Seal, or any other grunt/groundpounder/jar-head/squid, and I ordered a MK 18 with a aimpoint sight, 20 30-round magazines, and a couple of boxes of ammo, that would be normal. And no one in the supply chain-of-command would say anything. But if I ordered a couple of Tippman A-5s, a few CO2 tanks, hoppers, and a few cases of paint, wouldn't that raise some flags? Just curious. Not to mention...whoever mentioned the 140+ degree heat has a point. I would imagine that a case of paint wouldn't last but maybe 10 minutes there. And so what if personnel are using paintball guns? Those Taliban bastards are lopping innocent peoples' heads of with machetes, or sawing their heads off with swiss army knives! And now some jack-hole thinks he has a "big story" because we are supposedly using paintballs on them? Well, let's see the pictures! Even if he did have pics, SO WHAT! (in case you didn't figure it out, I hate the press...)

[VFX_Fenix]

If I said you were crazy, would you have to fight me?

-Moxy Fruvous

[TheAngryDrunkenRussian]

This is why I hate Bush... his stupid little war is.... gaa. I just hate him.

Hating someone or something usually accomplish's nothing. Plus what would Bush have to do with this, presidents order wars to happen not plan them.

And son watch what you say around here. I'm a vet and I'm pretty sure there are more on here.