Where does your loyalty lie?

[shortkidsrus]

VSC Phantom with 14" barrel.

[FinchMan]

lol, i'll get you guys pic's when i buy one. i ran into mel from pbx not long ago, and i saw some pretty sweet stuff, and learned alot. AO will be thrilled once they see how it works.

now i know i've seen it at the paintball expo in Pomona.

...and yes its way cool how it works.

[Death of Rats]

VSC Phantom with 14" barrel.

What on earth are you thinking. I wouldn't use that if my life depended on it.




Now if you had an 11" barrel on it kinda like my phantom then you might be alright and I might be a little bit more understanding. But fourteen inch arrghhh. Just messing with you.


I love my phantom and I wouldn't really care if I had all the air in the world or any high end super marker sitting in front of me. Love my warped fed LX Mag but it just isn't the same. As the man from the third Indiana Jones once said.


You have chosen... wisely. But, beware: the Phantom cannot pass beyond the Great Seal, for that is the boundry, and the price, of immortality.

Yeah but I really need it for this game on Saturday.

Hmmm well I guess just this once.


Couldn't trick me with some stupid cup.



Sorry, but we need a Connery quote


We named the *dog* Indiana.

[azzkikr]

prob an a5 rt or egrip, or a 98c with preaty much the same grips, just depends if the conditions allow a halo.

[Target Practice]

AR-15.

[mag_lover05]

pro/carbine or 98c. though im partial to just 98's GILLS OWN!


they work fine on co2, R/T is fast, mine NEVER/HAS NEVER/WILL NEVER BREAK. and the 12vlt.revvy (toughest loader thatll work with an R/T) mine has never broken!!!















NOTHING beats tippmann. i dont care what you say....it doesnt happen, and you know it.

[matt-o]

a classic mag, i dont care what you say about tippys. tippys are reliable and all but a mag is still more reliable in my eyes, and they outperform a tippy in almost every other way. the only thing the tippy has it beat in is efficiency and how it runs on co2. the most accurate gun i ever had was my old classic with the old unported stock barrel.

[K Wolf]

My sub 1500 s/n Tippmann ProLite I've had since I started playing eons ago. I've had to replace the ball detent twice, bolt oringsa few times, but thats it. I'm new to mags, but my new Pro Classic shoots down after a few rapid shots on CO2 (harness mounted 20oz,coil remote) (HPA, no problem). The tippmann doesn't care (velocity probably falls off, who knows? I'm busy adjusting my point of impact onto the target) I also have a 98C/rt, but it's not "proven" yet. In a few years it might be my answer to this question.

[mag_lover05]

you want accuracy....go fer phantom. it doesnt get better...i run +or-3 on unregulated co2.

[Brophog]

If you're going to use it as a hammer......I'd agree with the Tippmann crowd. I don't know about you guys, but I don't use my markers as hammers!

For that reason, I'd go with a Palmer. It's a better marker than a Tippmann, and still maintains high reliability. I've owned a Palmer for 2 years now, and I've yet to take a wrench to anything but the velocity screw.

Meanwhile......I've helped assemble many fellow player's Tippmann's that failed to work on game day.

[magbackforgood]

If you're going to use it as a hammer......I'd agree with the Tippmann crowd. I don't know about you guys, but I don't use my markers as hammers!

For that reason, I'd go with a Palmer. It's a better marker than a Tippmann, and still maintains high reliability. I've owned a Palmer for 2 years now, and I've yet to take a wrench to anything but the velocity screw.

Meanwhile......I've helped assemble many fellow player's Tippmann's that failed to work on game day.

I agree that you can shoot rocks out of tippmanns. But you give in shooting anything youi gain in a mag. I owned a 2003 Kapp reflex cocker. in fact its on ebay right now for sale. I have never owned a more accurate gun than a mag. Just my experience. i shot tippmanns and they have a load of recoil when fired versus the smooth action with my mag. GOOOOOOOOOOO MAGGGGGGGGGGGGGSSSS>!!!!!

[Aslan]

Wow...that's tough. I'd probably use my old Spyder. It's the gun I use now if I run out of HPA at an outlaw field. I struggle with whether it's more reliable than a Model 98...but I think it outperforms a stock Model 98...

As for the "brand loyalty" thing...that's silly. I don't "doubt my mag"...but I do know that it blows monkey parts on CO2. I KNOW that...because when I first got it I put a CO2 tank on it (w/a 6-stage expansion chamber) and it froze after like 6 shots. For those of us living in the North...using CO2 in months other than June, July, or August can become problematic. You can do it...certainly...but I'd hate to be on "Team Mag" in a big game in December in mid-Michigan

The other thing is parts availability. I virtually can't use BE markers anymore...no parts/upgrades! I had a HUGe problem finding parts for my old Pro-Lite...finally found them...but it was really a pain. Now, given that AGD is slowly disappearing from the stores (at least around me)...it only begs the question...will parts availability be a problem 5-7 years down the road? And if you immediately yell "NO!"...just think about it...I have a Raptor Silver Eagle...nearly impossible to get parts/upgrades for...this is a marker made in volumes that FAR exceed that of the Mag...by a huge company that is still a big player in the business..as late as what, 3-4 years ago? Is it so far fetched to "possibly" think that maybe parts availability could be a problem in the future for a smaller company not mass distributing their product?

To counter my own point...the one thing AGD markers have going for them is that the valves and parts are virtually universally related...all mag parts fit all mags (with one or two exceptions maybe). This will help parts availability compared to BE where when they end a marker's production (and thus parts because they care little for the people that would like to own their older products) and there are no other markers with similar parts.