PSP reacts to events at Texas open

[hitech]

Warbreak's idea of a blacklist is actually a really good one.

Actually it is not a new idea. Way back when Lively Productions started a list of penalties with the team and individuals names. Unfortunately it didn't get very far. In my opinion tournaments took many steps backward after Lively quit doing tournaments.

[hitech]

Or someone dies.

But that will cost someone money...

[Arstron]

Warbreak's idea of a blacklist is actually a really good one. With the right amount of publicity, it might achieve something. There are a bunch of "pro" players who are known for cheating, and actions like Lasoya's border on assault. We need to make our community aware of cheaters and people who purposely use their guns to inflict pain on others.
Would you want to be on such a list? I wouldn't.
If there would be a collective site that listed individuals and displayed video footage(there's enough out there)of wipers, gun tossers, rule breakers and tantrum throwers, then some of us would have a place to go and vent.
A lot of us a fed up with the attitudes of others, retreating into the woods with a few honest friends or quitting the game altogether. There is no accountability from those who tarnish the image of our sport, because they just don't care. We are left to worry about where things are headed and pick up the tatters they leave behind.
Complaining is better than doing nothing, taking action is something that might change things.

I would be willing to take care of hosting and a domain name if somone wanted to design a site just for this.

[Recon by Fire]

Or someone dies.

That's it then, we kill the wipers.....nuke 'em from orbit, only way to be sure...

[rabidchihauhau]

Oh jeez, now we're going to throw lively in there as a role model? Come on. Game screwing through field/flag station assignments, inadequate number of refs on the fields, poorly trained refs (never even heard of paintball before today...)

Let's put it this way: in 1992, Lively Productions had an opportunity to become THE tournament production company at his Texas Open. All they had to do was: 1. give all teams 8 prelim games instead of 6 (which was scheduled so that doing so did not cost extra money) 2. schedule games so that teams did not play the same teams on the second day (which was possible to do without adding any extra cost) and 3. provide balanced field layouts - (we had a volunteer crew of knowledgable people ready to do this).

Lively Productions originally agreed to provide those changes and then failed to implement a single one of them. That fact, and that fact ALONE led directly to the meeting that created the NPPL.

Blacklist? Please tell me what above-suspicion-no-conflict-of-interest-no-hidden-agendas-no-monetary-interest person or group is trustworthy enough to maintain such a thing?

Videos? Are you kidding me? So the guy is playing with a visible hit on him. The camera doesn't show the ref telling him to keep playing, nor does it show the player who shot him after already being eliminated. But there's your Watergate - you can see it. Let's run through the video and find the guy's name. (The video also doesn't tell you that the player in question is wearing someone else's jersey this game)

Puh-leaze! The ONLY thing that stands half a chance of working is if this sport had a central governing body that had some real teeth behind it: Not going to happen this year. When leagues themselves can reclassify players willy-nilly to suit their own needs, when players can circumvent the registration system by signing up 'late', when players who are under punishment can jump to another league; forget it.

You guys are attacking this thing like it was a sport and finding fault because it doesn't match your picture of a 'sport'. Well, guess what? Its not a sport. When the rules themselves create a situation in which the officials are unable to enforce the rules, you have a game, that only works so long as everyone agrees to go along for the sake of going along. And I don't see too many people going along anymore.

[hitech]

Oh jeez, now we're going to throw lively in there as a role model? Come on.

Sure. I would say that tournaments are no better run today than his were. That was 16 years ago.

Game screwing through field/flag station assignments, inadequate number of refs on the fields, poorly trained refs (never even heard of paintball before today...)

Well, when I played the masters with Constant Pursuit back in the stoneage we got screwed out of first place in the final game by exactly those thlngs. And while the speedball format has fixed the flag placement issue, other issues have filled in. If you saw that game you know just how bad we got screwed. If after that I still think it was run as well as todays, it should tell you something.

Let's put it this way: in 1992, Lively Productions had an opportunity to become THE tournament production company at his Texas Open.

I wasn't there so I cannot really comment. They were beginning to implement some very good ideas. Regardless of their faults they were implementing good ideas that are still NOT part of tournament ball today. And that is very sad.

Lively Productions originally agreed to provide those changes and then failed to implement a single one of them. That fact, and that fact ALONE led directly to the meeting that created the NPPL.

While I am sure it had a big impact, teams wanting to us there own paint was a big factor, whether they admitted it or not.

Blacklist?

I wasn't suggesting a blacklist. Simply a listhg of penalties per team and per person. Cheaters would stand out. Now, what one does with that information is highly debatable.

[IcantBelieveit]

all this stuff is exactly why i got out of tourney play....politics politics politics.....is there anything you can do today without politics.....jeezus!!! It just makes me mad..how a few sours apples ( and they are a few compared to the large number have to ruin something fun....i HAD fun playing tournies....it got old....there were always a bunch of whiner *****ers and complainers that did not like the refs call....or though he was unfairly tagged...always wanted to blame something other then his play....screw it...i play rec ball.....more fun that tournies in my opinion

[Shykicker]

Well, here's the part I thought was kind of funny and uncanny...

The following is the list of players whose teams caused considerable damage and disruption to one of the hotels. ...

Team Demolition

(spit-take) Wait, WHAT? Team Demolition.... demolished stuff?

[CKY_Alliance]

Wow @ all the biting remarks directed towards speedballers. Even Tom.

It's a good thing that all woodsballers/scenario players are angels

Most of the people on that list are on there simply because they had one or two teammates cause trouble. So out of THOUSANDS of participants.... THOUSANDS of 15-25 year olds... that's probably 10-20 people causing the trouble detailed here.

Am I to believe that woodsballers are statistically any better behaved than that? Please.




On a side note, I'm getting crucified on PBN for saying this.... the players were VERY wrong with what they did, but I think the PSP is overreaching their bounds by punishing players for actions that happened OUTSIDE OF THE TOURNAMENT AND OFF THE FIELD. Mariott should take it up with the players, not the PSP. How were the players supposed to know that the PSP was making a deal with Mariott?

QFT

Thats what makes no sense to me, the fact that they will punish them for something that happened outside of the tournament...it's like me getting suspended from school for fighting someone at my house...ftw?? Doesnt make much since to me...i can understand that the PSP has to keep its name respectful and these people may have made them look bad, but people who witnessed this behavior didn't neccesarly know they played paintball in the PSP...and for the behavior of players to dettour(sp) buisness indeavors between two major companies or corporations whatever they may be considered is riddicolous in its own right...(once again i cann see marriot may not want their name to be used in the same sentence as the naughty speedballers...)ehh you get my point..i see both sides but it's still riddiculous....

[robnix]

Thats what makes no sense to me, the fact that they will punish them for something that happened outside of the tournament...it's like me getting suspended from school for fighting someone at my house...ftw??

I think it's more like going to a conference for your company, getting drunk, and puking all over the General Manager of the hosting hotel while stumbling throught the the lobby. The fight you get into at your friends house is on your own time, going to an event/conference and acting as a representative for your sport/company is on their time.

[CKY_Alliance]

I think it's more like going to a conference for your company, getting drunk, and puking all over the General Manager of the hosting hotel while stumbling throught the the lobby. The fight you get into at your friends house is on your own time, going to an event/conference and acting as a representative for your sport/company is on their time.

i could understand each teams sponsor getting upset at them but not psp whom they pay to play in their series...so i dont see it's anything like repersenting your company because its not, the players are more of customers to psp then employees...make sense? I think..

[CoolHand]

Yes, the PSP shouldn't have done anything at all. (<--- Sarcasm, in case you can't tell)

The hotel should have had them all arrested.

Actions have consequences people, this is how the real world operates.

Do something stupid, pay the price.

IMO, a night in jail, and an arrest on their record would have been a lesson well learned, as well as payment for all the damage caused.

I'd like to see how "gangsta" or "rock-n-roll" they are after a night in the tank with slappy the crack dealer. :rofl:

[behemoth]

Yes, the PSP shouldn't have done anything at all.

The hotel should have had them all arrested.

Actions have consequences people, this is how the real world operates.

Do something stupid, pay the price.

IMO, a night in jail, and an arrest on their record would have been a lesson well learned, as well as payment for all the damage caused.

I'd like to see how "gangsta" or "rock-n-roll" they are after a night in the tank with slappy the crack dealer. :rofl:

I smoke rocks.

[robnix]

i could understand each teams sponsor getting upset at them but not psp whom they pay to play in their series...so i dont see it's anything like repersenting your company because its not, the players are more of customers to psp then employees...make sense? I think..

I've worked at trade shows for that were hosted by my previous company. We expected nothing less from the employees of the companies that came to see our product than what was expected from our own employees. I'm sure the other companies felt the same way, even though they paid to send their employees there. If the PSP was embarrased by people that attended thier event, then they have every right to tell them that they're not welcome to come back.

When I was a kid, I used to pay to be in swim meets, if it was an overnighter, we were expected to behave no matter where we were for the duration of the meet.

[CKY_Alliance]

I've worked at trade shows for that were hosted by my previous company. We expected nothing less from the employees of the companies that came to see our product than what was expected from our own employees. I'm sure the other companies felt the same way, even though they paid to send their employees there. If the PSP was embarrased by people that attended thier event, then they have every right to tell them that they're not welcome to come back.

When I was a kid, I used to pay to be in swim meets, if it was an overnighter, we were expected to behave no matter where we were for the duration of the meet.

If i pay to play in a series and i pay for my hotel room then whatever i wanna break should be my buisness and i will have to suffer the consequences given by the hotel...but im not going to be kicked out of a series i payed to play in and have commited no infraction in...see what im saying...i just don't see why PSP got involved other then to make them look better so they could salvage their deal with Marriot...