side mounted halos?

[MntlHazrd]

I first want to be honest and want to admit that i do not know exactly how a HALO works, but from what i heard i am at the understanding that the motor of a HALO winds a tension spring and that the spring then feeds the balls into the marker. Perhaps if the HALO was modified so that the motor drives the cone directly insetad of the spring it would then have enough power/torque to push the balls up the feed tube into the marker. i can only assume a problem as a result of this would be that without the spring the power of the motor would then jam balls together thus breaking them inside the loader. to rememdy such a problem though i have read how people have intellifed HALOs.....but then again this could all just be speculation on my part

[ShadowNife]

yes! thats exactly what i was thinking.

it wouldn't feel any more unbalanced than a warp already is. plus, since its basically just a halo with the feedneck pointing in a different direction, it shouldn't be any more heavier than having a regular halo up top.

besides, nobody said it HAD to go on the side.... maybe we can mount it under the barrel some how? or over the tank maybe?

I would beg to differ on the idea of being unbalanced. The warp feed for most people is situated about even with the bottom of the trigger frame. This lessens the unbalanced when compared to mounting it at the same level as the top of the marker. I get the feeling that it has to do with the fulcrum being farther away and torque and stuff (or maybe the top heavy/bottom heavy idea when holding a marker), but in terms of weight distribution this type of side-fed HALO would feel different and I would suspect more unbalanced than a warp setup.

[slade]

I first want to be honest and want to admit that i do not know exactly how a HALO works, but from what i heard i am at the understanding that the motor of a HALO winds a tension spring and that the spring then feeds the balls into the marker. Perhaps if the HALO was modified so that the motor drives the cone directly insetad of the spring it would then have enough power/torque to push the balls up the feed tube into the marker. i can only assume a problem as a result of this would be that without the spring the power of the motor would then jam balls together thus breaking them inside the loader. to rememdy such a problem though i have read how people have intellifed HALOs.....but then again this could all just be speculation on my part

umm, what? without the spring, the halo just wouldnt work competently at all. and you dont want more torque, then it would just break paint.

[Jotsy]

I would beg to differ on the idea of being unbalanced. The warp feed for most people is situated about even with the bottom of the trigger frame. This lessens the unbalanced when compared to mounting it at the same level as the top of the marker. I get the feeling that it has to do with the fulcrum being farther away and torque and stuff (or maybe the top heavy/bottom heavy idea when holding a marker), but in terms of weight distribution this type of side-fed HALO would feel different and I would suspect more unbalanced than a warp setup.

i beleive what most people are referring to when they say the the warp is unbalanced is that it is unbalanced left to right, not front to back. i actually agree that the warp improves the front to back weight balance, but i guess what most people are afraid of is that it might make the marker heavier on one side. personally, it doesn't really affect me and unless i'm shooting with one hand, i hardly notice it.

also, i'm not really fond of the idea sticking a side feed halo straight into a warp feed body like an A-5 loader. i think that particular setup up would make it unbalanced and also the feedneck would have to grip down pretty hard on the loader to stop it from rotating down.

[RoamingStorm]

what are you talking about...

you guys are slacking on all your ideas. The best way to decrease weight, increase loading speed, minimize profile, etc. is obviously....

Turn the Halo into a marker!!

[Jotsy]

ok, so i was bored and i decided to draw up the original design i had in mind (oh yea, forgive the simple drawings. i don't have a scanner or any CAD programs so i had to use Adobe Illustrator):



i figured for now, the modified shell idea would be a little too expensive/troublesome to try out just for experimenting purposes. i figured a warp bracket style adapter would be easier to try out. all you need is a warp adapter, a no-rise angel feedneck and a regular reloader B. anybody wanna try and build this and try it out? Luke maybe?

[Pyroboy597]

I think that by far the best hopper location is on top of the tank. Q-loaded warp mags witht he q-loader sticking out over the tank are great. It doens't hinder the ability to shoot the gun 'normally', and it has NO profile at all except the hose, which you can get to fit right along the body until it has to bend out to connect to the feed neck.

[Aslan]

problem one

the problem with this idea is that it perpetuates the idea that in order to play pantball (oops, I meant paintball...but pantball sounds too funny to erase ), you require a Halo. I'm trying to think if there was one other product in paintball that has received the status of the Halo...something that virtually every player feels is the best and must have it or the paintball world will collapse...but nothing comes to mind.

I don't know...tinkering is cool...it's probably gonna end up not working and you'll have destroyed a perfectly good Halo...but I can never criticize tinkering. Personally, I think it's a waste of time since most people can never outshoot a warp anyways...unless it jams...or you outshoot the hopper attached to it.

[Cow hunter]

the problem with this idea is that it perpetuates the idea that in order to play pantball (oops, I meant paintball...but pantball sounds too funny to erase ), you require a Halo. I'm trying to think if there was one other product in paintball that has received the status of the Halo...something that virtually every player feels is the best and must have it or the paintball world will collapse...but nothing comes to mind.

I don't know...tinkering is cool...it's probably gonna end up not working and you'll have destroyed a perfectly good Halo...but I can never criticize tinkering. Personally, I think it's a waste of time since most people can never outshoot a warp anyways...unless it jams...or you outshoot the hopper attached to it.

i dont own a warp, but ive heard that they rarely jam, and how can you outshoot the warp if theres a halo on it? :)

also, there are those players who have gone on to the Vlocity, just as good as the halo, but less wieght

[slade]

i dont own a warp, but ive heard that they rarely jam, and how can you outshoot the warp if theres a halo on it? :)

because warps have a max feedrate. if the hopper feeds faster than the warp, the warp is the limiting factor.

[Thordic]

The warps max feed rate is pretty high if you do a 12v mod. You shouldn't outshoot it.

[sean33]

dude..good idea..this is plausable..

[paintman1142]

velocity looks sooo bad, and is really really tall.

[Jotsy]

the problem with this idea is that it perpetuates the idea that in order to play pantball (oops, I meant paintball...but pantball sounds too funny to erase ), you require a Halo. I'm trying to think if there was one other product in paintball that has received the status of the Halo...something that virtually every player feels is the best and must have it or the paintball world will collapse...but nothing comes to mind.

I don't know...tinkering is cool...it's probably gonna end up not working and you'll have destroyed a perfectly good Halo...but I can never criticize tinkering. Personally, I think it's a waste of time since most people can never outshoot a warp anyways...unless it jams...or you outshoot the hopper attached to it.

first of all, i didn't think of this because i was worried about outshooting a warp. i came up with this idea because:

1) a halo is lighter than a warp + revy
2) a halo is smaller than a warp + revy
3) 6 AA batts are cheaper than 4-3 9v batts

second of all, i agree with you about the status of the halo, but if you think about it what other loaders are availiable?

a revy? gravity fed? puhleeze
a warp? $76 and you STILL need to buy a loader to put on top of it
a qloader? you can only use their special pods which only hold 100 rounds and at $20-15 a pod its kinda hard to just load and throw the pod away

and that leaves us with the egg, which really has been the only competition for the halo. and think about it, the egg was only slightly cheaper, but it was unbalanced (IMO), the back heavy design meant that unless it was really clamped down hard there was a chance that it would rotate in the breech and it has that infamous problem with the battery door. and you wonder why everybody has a halo?

/note that the above statements are just what i think the general pball playing public would think. i personally love my warp and would love to try out a qloader. in fact, i ordered one last year but it got lost in the mail... but thats a different topic entirely

[skriptal]

first of all, i didn't think of this because i was worried about outshooting a warp. i came up with this idea because:

1) a halo is lighter than a warp + revy
2) a halo is smaller than a warp + revy
3) 6 AA batts are cheaper than 4-3 9v batts

second of all, i agree with you about the status of the halo, but if you think about it what other loaders are availiable?

a revy? gravity fed? puhleeze
a warp? $76 and you STILL need to buy a loader to put on top of it
a qloader? you can only use their special pods which only hold 100 rounds and at $20-15 a pod its kinda hard to just load and throw the pod away

and that leaves us with the egg, which really has been the only competition for the halo. and think about it, the egg was only slightly cheaper, but it was unbalanced (IMO), the back heavy design meant that unless it was really clamped down hard there was a chance that it would rotate in the breech and it has that infamous problem with the battery door. and you wonder why everybody has a halo?

/note that the above statements are just what i think the general pball playing public would think. i personally love my warp and would love to try out a qloader. in fact, i ordered one last year but it got lost in the mail... but thats a different topic entirely

apache's are nice, I dont understand whay more poeple dont use apaches.