04 viking, 06 borg, g7 fly

[jenarelJAM]

My unmilled 04 viking isn't bad. It feels like what I think it looks like. It is basically hollow, unlike a dm3. But Honestly people... when you get done putting your hopper full of paint, your hpa tank, and your barrel on the gun, the weight is negligible. Your halo weighs as much as the entire marker, so stop complaining about weight.
DO SOME PUSHUPS!!!

[Rudz]

viking

So far I'm leaning towards a viking I've been trolling the aka owners site and there's some beautiful markers....the idea of getting my hands on a milled and beautifully annod 04 viking.......fast, reliable, and efficient...hmmmm viking wins..I don't like the cyborgs straight edge milling....even the ignition cyborg doesn't do it for me..angels..well I don't like the idea of twice as many barrels..so now I'm gonna be saving up for a milled viking..yippeeeee.....

[Steelrat]

Good deal. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. God knows I've owned enough of the darned things...

[Rudz]

noids

Good deal. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. God knows I've owned enough of the darned things...

What's the diff between mac noids and humphrey noids....ones faster right? I forgot which.....the barrels are cocker..what threading are the feednecks?....and what psi does my tank have be at....thanks...

[Steelrat]

What's the diff between mac noids and humphrey noids....ones faster right? I forgot which.....the barrels are cocker..what threading are the feednecks?....and what psi does my tank have be at....thanks...

Mac noids are the older ones, and they are slower than the hump noids, though quieter. Feednecks are AKA threading, which is actually the same as...cocker threading. They are the strongest feedneck threads out there. By PSI, did you mean HP or LP, or how much air you need in the tank to shoot the gun. Unlike the mags, the AKA guns can shoot very deep into the tanks. I usually get down to 100 psi or so before shooting becomes useless, though there is dropoff after 200 or so. You can use HP or LP, doesn't affect performance at all. Efficiency should be roughly 2000 shots on a 68/45.

[Rudz]

okay

Mac noids are the older ones, and they are slower than the hump noids, though quieter. Feednecks are AKA threading, which is actually the same as...cocker threading. They are the strongest feedneck threads out there. By PSI, did you mean HP or LP, or how much air you need in the tank to shoot the gun. Unlike the mags, the AKA guns can shoot very deep into the tanks. I usually get down to 100 psi or so before shooting becomes useless, though there is dropoff after 200 or so. You can use HP or LP, doesn't affect performance at all. Efficiency should be roughly 2000 shots on a 68/45.

Okay..I just wanted to kno if I needed a new tank..I don't have a 68 any more..I have a 112..lol another reason wieght doesn't bother me......I just like the look of a milled viking better.....thanks.....

[Steelrat]

Okay..I just wanted to kno if I needed a new tank..I don't have a 68 any more..I have a 112..lol another reason wieght doesn't bother me......I just like the look of a milled viking better.....thanks.....

Egads, get a 45/45, makes for a faster setup. It's not a matter of how strong you are, its a matter of speed. I'm 6'3" and 240 lbs, and I like the lightest setup I can get.

[FromTheBack]

I have to agree on the weight argument.
I used to use a non-ule Emag that had a 45/88 on it not to mention a drop. I couldn't handle that thing for anything on the field (airball mind you). With a transition to a DM6 and a 45/45 I can tell you I am much faster with my gun handling and more comfortable posting out on someone. A steadier setup is a lighter one in my opinion and I loved switching over.

[punkncat]

Well it seems like you have gotten the feedback on two of the three....

Aren't borgs just glorofied Impys anyway? Maybe I am thinking of something else.

Vikings are WAY heavy, but I like to think that heavy is reliable....

I recently got a G7. I have been a fan of the Angel since the 03 Speed. This marker was the fix for so many of the previous design problems. The biggest being the rollback issue fixed with the new breech lever design. There are a few drawbacks.

Its still a bit weighty, but I don't mind. It still uses the wierd battery, but the plus side is LONG periods of time between needing to charge the battery. The eyes are sort of a pain. In the instance that you break a ball in the breech...rare and usually caused by either running out or air or charge on the battery...it is a pain to get the eyes clean and running again. Not something a quick barrel swabbing will fix. I think Dye has better eyes maintanance wise....anywho. The only other problem is that I see some complaints that the ramping on the stock board is actually just a bit too fast in its ramping mode, that it actually exceeds the cap on 15.4 or whatever.

The plus sides are harder to define....I mean some people will hold a certain marker and think its tits while another won't like it. I am and always have been a fan of the 90* frame. I like poppet valves designs, and I really dig the roto breech ( I also liked the breech on the early trixes) as its easy to clean. The stock board is easy to navigate, its very user adjustable. And the trigger can easily be adjusted from outside the frame, like the A4 before it with the vernier wheels.

With the addition of a barrel system, pretty much a given on any marker, and a suitable air tank, yes WDP recommends the use of a fixed 450....its ready to rip and really needs nothing else.

[Steelrat]

Vikings are WAY heavy, but I like to think that heavy is reliable....

2 to 2.5 lbs is heavy? Not every viking is an 03 unmilled.

A borg is no more a glorified Impy than an Ego or intimidator is. Thats like saying a Mercedes is a glorified Yugo. Same basic concept, the difference is in the quality of the execution.

[punkncat]

A borg is no more a glorified Impy than an Ego or intimidator is...... Same basic concept, the difference is in the quality of the execution.

You called it truly though. All of those, the promaster, B2K's, all of them are the same concept. For all that the Vike and Angel share many things in common with each other as well.

[usagi_tetsu]

Cyborg. Why? Comes with a really decent barrel kit (MatchStik, plus it's 'cocker threaded, you won't have any problems finding barrels for it), very good HPR and LPR (almost the first things anyone changes on any marker nowadays, don't have to do this with the 'borg, the Gladiator is drop-dead reliable and has good flow), and is lighter than the Viking. These are great markers, love the design of 'em ('cause I'm a Tribal junkie, and the 'borg is the Tribal of the 2000's), and they're not that bad in the looks department.

And let's face it, all of those are essentially the same marker: Impy, Tribal, Bushy/ProMaster, Defiant, Timmy, Angel, Viking, Ego - all of 'em use the same basic design to accomplish the necessary mechanics of loading a paintball into the chamber and firing air behind it. A solenoid moves a ram (which moves a bolt by linkage) to strike and open a poppet valve, and then retracts the whole operation, setting the stage for the next cycle. It's all about how much support will you get from the company, what options come with the base marker, and how good the looks of 'em stroke your ego.

[Steelrat]

Cyborg. Why? Comes with a really decent barrel kit (MatchStik, plus it's 'cocker threaded, you won't have any problems finding barrels for it), very good HPR and LPR (almost the first things anyone changes on any marker nowadays, don't have to do this with the 'borg, the Gladiator is drop-dead reliable and has good flow), and is lighter than the Viking.

Cyborg stock barrel is better than the vikings, but the sidewinder and SCM are better than the stock macdev lpr and hpr IMO. And is .5 pounds or so really that big of deal? The difference in weight is even smaller for custom vikings.

[jenarelJAM]

From what I can see:
Cyborg...................................Viking
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Lighter...................................Heavier
Better Looking Stock..............Custom Millings
Good Regulator......................Top of the line Regulator
More Reliable than most.........Most Reliable Possible
Feel........................................Feel
Personal Preference...............Personal Preference
Can't do.................................Cool bolt can be pulled easily
Can't do.................................31 bps proven
Cocker Threaded....................Cocker Threaded

The part in Red is the most important.

[Rudz]

viking

I bought an 04 unmilled viking, I can't wait for it to get here...I also bought a ccm cf barrel kit..and my 68 apoc tank finally showed up..so yeah I'm set.......ill post piks later..there's already a pik in steels thread abt zak.....