An interesting read...Judge for yourself.

[Lohman446]

I'd be willing to bet that when they first started the league(s) they had a hard time turning a profit.

Id also be willing to bet they tried several different ways to make it profitable.

[Rudz]

see?

we told ya smart parts was the devil..they sold there souls to the devil now they will suffer in there own misery..poor poor sp sponosred teams..thats what they get....but honestly how do they expect to take in all that money before anything even happens..for all they know there new league will be a flop..then what..the investors divide what the earned and the players and teams get nothing..the original deal they had with dick clark seemed alot better, because the players would get a salary and dick clark got his...

[Beemer]

You don't win friends with salad.

You also don't win friends by taking a bigger slice of the pie.

They dont want friends, they just want ALL the pie.

[Beemer]

I got last and get the up.

Rogue made this thread, 4/28 from PBN and it was Nuked at light speed. Well less then ten hours anyway cause I saw it.

It goes here 5/4 six days later, http://www.paintballstar.com/pn/modu...topictoview=58

and back here 5/5, to funny, http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=1530227

and I bring this thread back from the thrid page here.

Did this stay up on other forums in that time frame?

In reply to myself from my last post in this thread.

This was our Partners & our Legal Council who are now saying they are our partners but now taking on a another role but actually have cut themselves into a larger piece of the pie!

Hmm I want more friends and only part of the Pie.

Darn wheres the pie thread when ya need it

Peace Out

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[Grey Goose]

I've always wished paintball had a real league. This is the only sport I've ever played that was entirely controlled by the manufacturers. That is also the reason I quit playing seriously.

The NFL had large financial problems, espcially in the NFL/AFL years. Rozelle saved their a$$e$.

[Ratt]

This is madness. Why is it that when the issue of screwing everyone over in order to make more money comes up, the two words "Smart" and "Parts" are always thrown in there somewhere? I, personally, am fed up with SP, and I think they deserve to burn in hell. I swear...I will NEVER do anything or buy anything that will mean putting more of my money in their pocket.

[Lohman446]

This is madness. Why is it that when the issue of screwing everyone over in order to make more money comes up, the two words "Smart" and "Parts" are always thrown in there somewhere? I, personally, am fed up with SP, and I think they deserve to burn in hell. I swear...I will NEVER do anything or buy anything that will mean putting more of my money in their pocket.

Because of people who have no clue about the events that went on taking the simplistic one sided view of placing all fault for something they dont like on SP?

[magman007]

lohman you cant deny, they just arent very nice people. Paintball is not used to the corporate world, paintball is used to everyone helping eachother out being actual friends, not just businessmen. The sueing of other companies was bad enough, and boiled alot of blood, because people are protective of their brand. Now they are doing this. Everyone already has a sour taste in their mouths, and this is just more of it.

[Lohman446]

lohman you cant deny, they just arent very nice people. Paintball is not used to the corporate world, paintball is used to everyone helping eachother out being actual friends, not just businessmen. The sueing of other companies was bad enough, and boiled alot of blood, because people are protective of their brand. Now they are doing this. Everyone already has a sour taste in their mouths, and this is just more of it.

Ehh... On the face of it, with the information that has been made available I have to agree that it does not look nice. That being said nice and business on that level don't normally go together. One also has to consider the concept of "two sides to every story" and you are getting one.

[GT]

That being said nice and business on that level don't normally go together.

You dont have to be evil to do good buisness. There are tons of rich nice guys out there.

Wait a sec! We are only talking about 13 mil for players? What does it cost to run the whole league? 15-20 mil? That is probally chump change for the top 3-4 pb companies. Something in this story doesnt sound right.

[Grey Goose]

Paintball is a lot like the gas & energy business was 5-6 years ago. All the companies are trying to figure out how to lock up the largest market share and be the "face" of paintball. Instead, all they're doing is sh*tting on the players. I still find the profit margin in paintball gear absurd, on the reasons I used to be mr. trade.

[Lohman446]

Paintball is a lot like the gas & energy business was 5-6 years ago. All the companies are trying to figure out how to lock up the largest market share and be the "face" of paintball. Instead, all they're doing is sh*tting on the players. I still find the profit margin in paintball gear absurd, on the reasons I used to be mr. trade.

Profit margins where? At the manufacturer level sure... at the store level, not so great

[p8ntball72]

The glory days of making 200+ profit on a marker are over.

[coyote]

Clarification for Lohman 446

NFL and MLB players are in fact employees of the league.

Their are bound first and foremost by a collective bargaining agreement. All player and owners are bond by the CBA.

These leagues have teams that are in fact company franchises. Within the framework of the CBA player agree to work for these franchises, that is where their individual contracts exist.

Pro sports sre unique in the fact that they have a CBA, and then individual compensitory contracts.

[Lohman446]

Clarification for Lohman 446

NFL and MLB players are in fact employees of the league.

Their are bound first and foremost by a collective bargaining agreement. All player and owners are bond by the CBA.

These leagues have teams that are in fact company franchises. Within the framework of the CBA player agree to work for these franchises, that is where their individual contracts exist.

Pro sports sre unique in the fact that they have a CBA, and then individual compensitory contracts.

Are they employees of the league? With there salaries paid by the individual teams? I'm not saying your wrong, it just throws me some. But owners seldom go beyond the CBA and individual contract requirements. Perhaps these players (paintball) should get something more binding before playing? Of course then they could probably be replaced - the fun of free market labor.