What makes guns like the DM6 and Angels better then lower end electros?

[Corbet]

I look at higher end electros and wonder what makes them better then lower end ones like the Ion or ProMaster. Obviously the parts are higher quality, but what makes them better?

[buzzboy]

Really I don't know. I don't see why people buy these super expensive monsters over the little guys that perform the same. Mostly it is about durrablity/look/upgradablitity/fastness. Most of which can be bought in a cheaper gun.

[RapidTransit]

Kick, Gas Efficiency, Weight, Reliable speed, higher grade parts ever seen the noid on a an Ion?, Consistency, Tournament Functions, and Adjustibility.

[stop whining buy a mag]

Kick, Gas Efficiency, Weight, Reliable speed, higher grade parts ever seen the noid on a an Ion?, Consistency, Tournament Functions, and Adjustibility.

Nailed every single one of them. You can't go out an play professionaly paintball with a low end electro that has no reliability (ICD minus Freestyle which is not low end). That's the way the pros work so everyone in paintball must do it.

[master_alexander]

things that you should take into consideration when deciding that bigge and more expensive > "the little guys" :

reputation
upgrades available
resale
reliability
stock


reputation: would you feel cooler if you went onto the field with a shocker, as opposed to the ion? people say ions are crap and stuff... they arent, but people say that and think that as well as if you do have an ion, you are some idiot newb on ramping... IMO, reputation does play a part in why the higher end guns are better than the lower ends.

Upgrades available: with the lower end guns you can get x amount of upgrades and people will not think much of it, while you could get this "better" gun and not have to upgrade it... like a karni, it doesent really need any upgrades, so why buy a different cocker, get an e2, and all thoes other parts to make it equal to the karni, when you can just have a karni?

resale: you would get a better percentage of the msrp on a high end than a low end.

reliability: the more expensive guns are able to shoot faster stock, most likley have a better bolt reg and asa.

stock: now, a stock shocker is better than a stock ion in my opinion (as an example), most guns that are high end come stock better than the low ends. this is because, high end = on the high end of the totem pole when stock, and then the low ends are the opposite (der... lol..) and the stock hign end would be better than an upped low end.


there is so many things to take into consideration... an interesting study would be to take a stock shocker and a stock ion and test them stock, then get the best proven upgrades and test them again, and see which one is really worth it. i used ion and shocker because they are by the same company and such...

my 2 cents..

[master_alexander]

Kick, Gas Efficiency, Weight, Reliable speed, higher grade parts ever seen the noid on a an Ion?, Consistency, Tournament Functions, and Adjustibility.

and that is more or less the simplified version.

[PnueMagger]

Isn't SP going to sponsor a team on the Pro circuit with just IONS for publicty to show ION can hang? This was talk on the nation i was following.

I'm sure they wont be entirely stock. However, if you gave a team like the DYNASTY a bunch of ions, they would still roll teams just as easily. A well maintained mid level electro can be very reliable. You just need to give them more TLC.

[Corbet]

Nailed every single one of them. You can't go out an play professionaly paintball with a low end electro that has no reliability (ICD minus Freestyle which is not low end). That's the way the pros work so everyone in paintball must do it.

What do you mean by (ICD minus Freestyle)? I was under the impression that most guns are reliable unless its a autococker. With the exception of blown or old o-rings I never really had a ton of problems with any gun I used on the field.

But when it comes to weight, kick, gas efficency, shooting speed, ect, are you gonna notice a huge difference between the 2? I don't know about you but rarely do I have opportunity to shoot off 15 bps all the time, usually its snap shooting. When it comes to weight, does and extra pound really make that big of a difference, especially when your carrying 5-8 pods on your back?

Kick and Gas Efficency I'll give you, along with resale value and adjustibility (one thing I don't like about lower guns is the lack of tourney features). But frankly I think lower end guns have more upgrades then higher end guns. Look at upgrade parts for IONs, Spyders, ect.

I must admit, I do feel kinda stupid buying a $350 electro marker (that will be un named) and now wanted to put a bunch of upgrades on it. I kinda wish I would have spent another $200, but what kind of electros can be found at $550 range? One thing I noticed when buying a new electro is you've either got the super expensive $1000 guns or the lower range $300 guns. Nothing in the middle

[SpitFire1299]

A gun is as reliable as you make it. Maintanence it regularly, and you will be fine.

[ABTOCMEPTb]

Its pointless. People buying different stuff because A) they can afford it, B) they like it, C) bragging rights.

Same we can talk why people driving BMW or Hundai. Its not all about to deliver paintball from point A to point B. Its about delivering it with pleasure.

[PnueMagger]

One thing I noticed when buying a new electro is you've either got the super expensive $1000 guns or the lower range $300 guns. Nothing in the middle

Shocker. But then again it's cheaper to upgrade the ion to the shocker's level.

[Corbet]

Shocker. But then again it's cheaper to upgrade the ion to the shocker's level.

I really don't wanna turn this into a "what gun should I get" thread but I'm not into smart parts guns.

[Dark Frost17]

uh huh

What do you mean by (ICD minus Freestyle)? I was under the impression that most guns are reliable unless its a autococker. With the exception of blown or old o-rings I never really had a ton of problems with any gun I used on the field.

But when it comes to weight, kick, gas efficency, shooting speed, ect, are you gonna notice a huge difference between the 2? I don't know about you but rarely do I have opportunity to shoot off 15 bps all the time, usually its snap shooting. When it comes to weight, does and extra pound really make that big of a difference, especially when your carrying 5-8 pods on your back?

Kick and Gas Efficency I'll give you, along with resale value and adjustibility (one thing I don't like about lower guns is the lack of tourney features). But frankly I think lower end guns have more upgrades then higher end guns. Look at upgrade parts for IONs, Spyders, ect.

I must admit, I do feel kinda stupid buying a $350 electro marker (that will be un named) and now wanted to put a bunch of upgrades on it. I kinda wish I would have spent another $200, but what kind of electros can be found at $550 range? One thing I noticed when buying a new electro is you've either got the super expensive $1000 guns or the lower range $300 guns. Nothing in the middle

when it comes to kick....huge difference going from a spyder to a emag ...night and day.....


5 to 8 pounds on your back is a little different then having 5-8 pounds in your arms.....it kinda makes a big difference......sliding in to a bunker or the snake with a heavy marker kinda gives you a higher Chance e of it hitting the ground or you loosing grip of it when you land.....snap shooting is different with that added wight.... try snap shooting with a SS Lapco big shot then going to a alum barrel with the same length....

[Corbet]

I dunno I think one reason I think expensive guns are stupid is because it seems like the people who have them look at a person's skill by how much their marker costs. If a really good player has something like a model 98 the person (or people) with Angels and DM6s are going to think they are a noob. I've also noticed that it seems like alot of players with expensive guns will refuse to use anything cheaper. If your good it doesn't matter what gun you have.

[Dark Frost17]

I dunno I think one reason I think expensive guns are a waste of money is because it seems like the people who have them look at a person's skill by how much their marker costs. If a really good player has something like a model 98 the person (or people) with Angels and DM6s are going to think they are a noob. I've also noticed that it seems like alot of players with expensive guns will refuse to use anything cheaper. If your good it doesn't matter what gun you have.

not really a wast of money.......but i have seen guys with the tippmans and spyder walk all over the guys with the higher end markers.......you cant rate some one by there marker.....