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  • ABTOCMEPTb

    #31
    Originally posted by Z-man
    Ya MacDev claims 33 on their site but I was shocked and astounded to see that they took the rout everyone else does. They just made the claim and didn't even try and back it up in any way.... I was hoping for some super terrific nuclear physics which would provide the irrefutable proof. I mean nothing like a video or anything (no one ever has the balls to make one of those...)
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    • stop whining buy a mag
      I know what I'm doing!
      • Sep 2004
      • 414

      #32
      Unfortunately those videos simply show the marker cycling. Proves nothing really. I know for a fact that my DM6 will cycle 30 times a second but I doubt it could do it with paint even if I had a Q-loader or Cheetah board in my Halo.

      Your ROF does not cover up any lack of skill. I know a n00b when I see one playing. He could be shooting 23 BPS and I could still pick him out in a second. The fact that he can't run and gun, switch hands, or snapshoot is what allows me to kill him with 1 ball.

      I don't need any ROF beyond 1 BPS unless I'm playing on a 10' by 10' field with 100 people. I simply enjoy 15.3 BPS with other people at my skill level (Rookie tournament players). It's a fair rate of fire that I believe is fairly safe but fast enough to keep the game exciting.

      People who claim to be shooting 8+ BPS on mech gun with no RT need to shoot over ballistic chronograph. Unless you have something like a PneuMag or ULT you're not going to achieve that ROF.

      People who complain about the spoiled children that shoot the "billion BPS" need to stop whining. By complaining about this you're saying that you have just as much skill as the 10 year old who's rolling his new PM6 on Uncapped PSP ramping. If you have skill then you just need to get out there and force the kid into a position that most new players would struggle with. Make him shoot with his offhand or start snapshooting against him.

      I'm done ranting.

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      • REDRT
        Mags, Y use anything else
        • Apr 2004
        • 1854

        #33
        Originally posted by stop whining buy a mag
        I don't need any ROF beyond 1 BPS unless I'm playing on a 10' by 10' field with 100 people.
        Man you must be a bad shot then!

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        • punkncat
          One foot less
          • Feb 2003
          • 5841

          #34
          Originally posted by Chaos_Theory!
          Chronographs arent very accurate when measuring bps.
          As measured against what? The readout on your board? Soundwave?

          What benchmark are you using to determine that the chrono station isn't accuratly reading the BPS? It measures FPS accurately enough to use officially. Its radar sends many more pulses per second than ANY paintball marker can even come close to, so how can it not be accurate at reading fire rate as well as speed?

          Especially when you consider that it was designed to do so.....

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          • b e n
            Registered User
            • Apr 2006
            • 117

            #35
            I know that 10 bps can be done with a mech, with practice you can rip a mech trigger pretty fast my friend got his mech A5 up to 11 goldwaved and I usually get 8-10 on a tippy and on my mag.

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            • Arstron
              fusionowners.org

              • Mar 2005
              • 2347

              #36
              10 bps is plenty for anyone for any situation other then showing off. If you cant shoot somone with a steady 10 bps, then its doughtful that you could get them with 30 bps either.

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              • Z-man
                You guys lost me
                • Jul 2001
                • 2202

                #37
                Originally posted by ABTOCMEPTb
                Oh thank you!

                Analyisis of Video #1 "MacDev 06 Cyborg 30bps" (cps not bps you swine!)


                Looks like other than saying he was shooting paint it did cycle 30x per second. Pretty close to the 34bps they claim. Is there a version with paint?

                Analysis of Video #2 "MacDev 06 Cyborg Stormtrooper"


                Again a cycle test without paint. I'm thinking the other Cyborg had a better flow tank hooked up and the Borg was limited by that rather than its own pneumatics.

                Good stuff. I hope they put out a video demoing 34bps soon because I have plans...


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                • Grey Goose
                  yeah, it's me.
                  • May 2004
                  • 168

                  #38
                  I have read/heard from several sources that at 9+ bps, no one can run between the balls if you're shooting a lane... and isn't that REALLY what you need good bps for? It's been my experience that I have a in-game shooting speed of around 11bps. I've never had anyone run through my lane. So that's what I need, and I daresay anyone else can be perfectly happy w/ 9+ as well.
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                  • stop whining buy a mag
                    I know what I'm doing!
                    • Sep 2004
                    • 414

                    #39
                    Originally posted by punkncat
                    As measured against what? The readout on your board? Soundwave?

                    What benchmark are you using to determine that the chrono station isn't accuratly reading the BPS? It measures FPS accurately enough to use officially. Its radar sends many more pulses per second than ANY paintball marker can even come close to, so how can it not be accurate at reading fire rate as well as speed?

                    Especially when you consider that it was designed to do so.....
                    When people say it is not accurate for ROF, they are usually comparing it to a ballistic chronograph. The CFOA, NPPL, PSP, NXL all do not use the red chronograph to test ROF. With the ballistic chronograph, you can go back and look at the time between each shot to determine a more accurate reading.

                    I had my gun on PSP mode one day and while chrono'ing (over a red chrono) I accidently hit the trigger too many times and it started ramping. The red chrono showed a speed of 18 BPS. I tried it again and got 16 BPS. The third time I got another reading of 18 BPS. The ballistic chronograph showed a steady 15.3 to 15.4 BPS.

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                    • REDRT
                      Mags, Y use anything else
                      • Apr 2004
                      • 1854

                      #40
                      Food for thought. A M60 machine gun fires around 9.2 rounds a second and an M249 SAW fires about 12.5 rounds a second. Most of us anymore fire faster than the weapons that defend our Country.

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                      • ABTOCMEPTb

                        #41
                        Would you please make a sound test of these two videos too. I think its with paint now.

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                        Last edited by Guest; 05-14-2006, 01:14 PM.

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                        • Arstron
                          fusionowners.org

                          • Mar 2005
                          • 2347

                          #42
                          Originally posted by Z-man
                          Good stuff. I hope they put out a video demoing 34bps soon because I have plans...
                          plans? trying to make a mag go faster? I'm scared!

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                          • Z-man
                            You guys lost me
                            • Jul 2001
                            • 2202

                            #43
                            Originally posted by ABTOCMEPTb
                            Would you please make a sound test of these two videos too. I think its with paint now.

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                            No sound played for me some stupid codec..... if you can pull it off I would be most grateful. I didn't see paint but then the camera was not aimed well TO see the paint.

                            Originally posted by Arstron
                            plans? trying to make a mag go faster? I'm scared!
                            Since no one else has, it looks like it's time to up the pressure on people. I HATE seeing things like this with NO attempt to back them up. (Nothing against you Aussies, I happen to like you all very much).


                            oh it's on. I'll show YOU fastest.


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                            • jenarelJAM
                              Club Coordinator
                              • Dec 2004
                              • 1611

                              #44
                              I need 14 bps, cause I shoot 10-12 in game, so 14 allows for varience.

                              Yeah, go Z-man!!!

                              Also, I believe that a red chrono only monitors three shots, so it's very inaccurate. If you monitor over 10 shots, and take the average time, it will give you nine 'rest' periods to measure(when the shot's aren't being fired), but when you only measure over three shots, it only gives you 2 'rest' periods. Anyone know for sure?
                              you know you play this game too much when the neighbors stop fixing their broken windows...
                              :shooting: :cuss:

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                              • warbeak2099
                                That is my foot!
                                • Jan 2004
                                • 4447

                                #45
                                Oh goodness Z-man you made me giggle.
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